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Hello, welcome everybody. Thank you for joining us tonight. Special thanks to Janice here.
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Janice, are you able to hear me?
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Yes, I can hear you.
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Awesome. You're coming in clear on my end also. Jake's going to join us in a little bit as a speaker also.
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So in one more minute, we'll get this thing rolling. Just sit tight for one minute, guys.
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Hey, what's going on? I just wanted to say thank you, Dave and Janice. Very nice to meet you, Janice. I'm Jake.
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Thank you, Dave, for hosting and I look forward to the space. Hi, Hillary. I see you down there.
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All right, well, thank you guys for coming. Janice, again, thank you for coming. I know this means the space means a lot to a lot of people because John was such a influential guy.
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So many people looked up to him and a lot of people miss him and there's so many questions about what happened, what's going on.
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So hopefully you can help put some closure on all this with us. I just want to thank you for coming tonight. But how are you doing tonight?
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Well, first, thank you for having me. And, you know, John was very important to me as well. Obviously, we'll never be the same after our relationship.
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But I am doing a lot, a lot better than I had been, what, a year ago and even two years ago. But I'm well. I'm well now. Thank you.
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So where are you these days?
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I'm still in Spain.
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So you're still in Spain.
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I came to Spain with John. We left America together in January of 2019. And, yeah, we traveled kind of across the Caribbean and we settled in Spain in the summer of 2019. And I've been here ever since.
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So you consider that home now?
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No, no, no, no. I just remained here because I wanted to, because of the legal things that were happening. And also it just didn't seem right to leave here without John's remains. So that's why I've been here still. But California is my home. It's where my children are.
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And I look forward to being reunited with them.
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Well, I hope that happens very soon. So, yeah, we'll get into that a little bit later, some of the newer updates about what's going on with him. I guess we could start from the beginning. How did you meet John? How did this all start?
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So we met in December of 2012. We met the day after John was deported from Guam. I was living in Miami. So I'm sorry, that's where we met. South Beach, Miami. And I was living there because I was working as a prostitute there. I was being pimped out. I had a very brutal pimp.
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And just before I met John, I think maybe in November-ish, I had just sort of come off of leave, if you will, because he had hit me in my face and caused my tooth to go through my lip and I had to get stitches. So I was out of commission for like a month and a half.
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And so this is what I was coming off of, this sort of vacation, if you want to call it that, when I met John. And so just something that's a little important to me to this story is that my grandfather was a pastor of a very small church in San Francisco.
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And so he had died years ago, years prior. And for me, I was just feeling like if heaven was real, God was real, my grandfather would be there. So it's just kind of in my mind sort of speaking to my grandfather, kind of asking for help, because I didn't want to be in this situation anymore.
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This was on my birthday, December 9th. So kind of in my mind, it's like, you know, if your God is real, you know, then I need him to show up here for me because I can't do this another day, week, month, or year. I need out of this.
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And then on December 14th, I met John. And so for me, it was just an answer to prayer, if you will. I know it's probably laughable to a lot of people that John McAfee would be an answer to anyone's prayer, but he was an answer to my prayer.
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That's really nice. That's really nice. Now you guys look like you had the most fun in the world during that COVID time on Twitter that was wild. You guys, the videos and everything you guys posted. So it was very genuine.
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It was a wild ride, to say the least. So yeah, that's how we met.
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So you met him in Miami doing that. So you weren't working then when you did meet him. Did you know?
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Actually, I was out that night. I was out with a girlfriend. We've shared this story many times, but I'll share it with you guys as well. So I actually wasn't supposed to be out the night that I met John. I was sleeping. And I had no idea that John was even in town. Apparently, it was all over the news, but I didn't watch the news.
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I watched reality TV at the time and I played video games. God of War was my video game. And so we get woken up by the pimp and he asks us to go out or demands us to go out. And so we go out and we're on South Beach.
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And I happened to park my car across from where John was staying, which was the Beacon Hotel right on South Beach. And we were going walking, me and my girlfriend were walking to our car and I saw John who was standing in front of Johnny Rockets speaking to one of the workers.
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And we caught eyes and I nodded, he smiled, but I kept walking and I turned around and caught him looking at my butt as I was walking away. But I decided to keep walking because he didn't seem interested and also he didn't look like he had any money. How wrong I was.
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So when I got to his hotel, the night security came outside, who was someone I had spoken to before, because that's how you kind of know what's happening in town by speaking to these night security or people that work at the hotels.
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They'll tell you who's in town, what parties are in town, if the cops are out harassing girls or anything like that. So, you know, I was asking him, you know, these same questions if there's anyone in town and all of this.
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And he looks down the street and he sees John standing there. He was like, well, you know who that is? And I was like, no, I have no idea. He's like, well, that's John McAfee.
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So I was like, well, who's that? And he said, well, you know, the McAfee antivirus. And I said, well, that's the creator of it. And so I was like, oh, really? So I decided to turn around and go back.
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And by this time he had moved on to a coffee shop, the News Cafe, which is also right on Ocean Drive. And I caught up to him. He was smoking a cigarette, talking to the workers out front. And I asked him for a cigarette.
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And he, as he was lighting a cigarette for me, he asked me or asked us, what were we doing, drug, drugging and rolling old men, to which I responded, we don't use drugs. And so because of my response, that intrigued him. And he invited us to sit for coffee and the rest is history.
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Well, that's awesome. I can see him talking to the employees, too. Like, he's just such a man of the people. I think that's why he's so revered by everybody.
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Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's that's pretty cool. So. Okay. So then what happens next?
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So we sit and we we talk for hours. So initially, I kind of went through my shill, you know, are you looking to have a good time? You can do one if you want chocolate, if you want vanilla, blah, blah, blah.
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And he obviously turned me down and he said he's not interested. He just wants a cup of coffee. And so then we moved on quickly from that. And I asked him, what brings you to Miami? Are you in town for business or pleasure?
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And so he says, yeah, no, not at all. Like, you don't know who I am. And I was like, no. You know, obviously I knew his name, you know, at that time, but I didn't know his story. And so he's like, well, seriously, I've been on the news. I've been on the news for the past three months.
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And I was like, I'm sorry, I don't watch the news. And he seemed a bit of almost a little offended that I didn't know who he was from the news or whatever. But. But so, yeah, he proceeded to tell me his story from from his side, you know, his side of the story.
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And so we sat and talked for hours, you know, just him sharing his story, me asking him questions, him answering questions. So it was a good conversation.
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And then I guess. OK, so after that, he asked me to get rid of the white girl because she was high on Molly and she really wasn't adding much to the conversation. So I got rid of her.
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And he invited me back to his room. And so we get to his room and he's standing next to the bed and he asks, can we just cuddle or can we cuddle? And so I'm like, yeah, we could cuddle. But in my mind, I'm thinking he's talking about something super sexually kinky because I've never like no one's ever asked me to cuddle.
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Some kind of code word or something. Yeah, right. Exactly.
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Just so ridiculous looking back on it. But I was like, yeah, because I was thinking, you know, I don't know what it is, but I'm sure I could manage. Right.
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But he just literally wanted to cuddle. So he came, you know, got in bed, put his head on my shoulder and, you know, maybe like two minutes later, he was out sleeping, snoring. And it was nice. It was just a beautiful night. And that's how our lives proceeded from there. Every day after that, we were together.
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Did you Google him that night? Like, who is this guy?
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No, because my pimp had already done that. So he was sharing with me who he was because the girlfriend I was with, well, she was another working girl who was working for my pimp. So she obviously went back when I sent her away. She went back and told him who I was with.
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And so by morning, well, it was two in the morning when we met. So by sunup, I should say, everyone in the pimp community, I guess, would have known that I was with John McAfee. And so, yeah, my pimp was sharing with me who he was and how he was accused of murder and all of these things.
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But I didn't want to Google him because I wanted to get to know him from him.
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Yeah, yeah, of course. Super interesting. So how do you end up staying with him long term then? Like, how does that happen? Does he ask you to be his girlfriend?
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Yeah, he does, actually. So that happened down the road a bit. So we ended up going on a road trip because he bought his pickup truck that had been featured in some of the interviews.
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And so if anybody knows what I'm talking about, it's his Dodge truck where he had put a ram on the front of it and he had lights fitted on it just to help it kind of be more like a security vehicle.
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Anyways, so he bought this vehicle in Tennessee and I went and met him in Tennessee and we went on a road trip from Tennessee to Portland, which was really awesome because we got to know each other a lot better.
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I'm one that always enjoys road trips and the fact that we didn't end up killing each other on the road trip because I've heard people say that that's the test to a relationship lasting, you know, go on a road trip with your partner.
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And so, but it was really good. We listened to books on CD, which I'd never done before. And it was really, really awesome.
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We talked and listened to music and it was just a really good time.
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So after that time, which would have taken us, let's see, through Christmas and New Year's. So we didn't get to Portland until after New Year's.
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And yes, he asked me to be his girlfriend. I had to go back to Miami because I had a court case that I needed to go to.
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And, you know, John asked me at that time, you know, if you want to come back, you know, that's cool. But there are some things that I'm going to need you to understand. I'm not going to allow.
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And so basically without saying, without him telling me, I know about your pimp and all of that, because obviously he would have known he's Sean McAbee.
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So, you know, and at the time of the road trip, you know, my pimp was calling me all the time, texting me all the time, wanting to know every step that we were taking and all of those things.
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Was the pimp expecting like big money from you?
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Yes, he was. Yes, he was expecting really big money, which is why he was calling all the time.
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But at the same time, you know, how do you explain to someone, hey, you're being stupid here because I'm literally in a vehicle with him sitting right next to him.
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So there's no way I can answer your phone calls or answer your texts and be all on my phone without him noticing.
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Like, who are you talking to? Right. Like, it's, you know, I need to be present with him, you know.
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So, yeah, he was expecting this really ridiculous payday. He's like, oh, do you think he'll give you like a hundred thousand dollars? Like, why would he do that? Like, we're just, you know, it's stupid.
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Well, I can only imagine a pimp. I mean, he's like, oh, my God, I got John McAfee as a client.
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You know, just the stupidness in his head was probably just going off the chain.
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It was astronomical, the ignorance, because he just, you know, sold to other sites.
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But that's where his mind was, you know, he was trying to figure out a way to, you know, blackmail him for money to all of these crazy things, you know, and that wasn't what I wanted, you know, as I explained to you, for me, John was an answer to prayer.
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And so for me, I looked at him as what he ended up being, you know, which was a way for me to get out of that life, you know.
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And so, so he, so he tells me, you know, I'm not, I'm not going to allow you to send money to take care of a grown man, you know.
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So if you come back here to be with me, I just want you to understand that, that that's not going to allow that.
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So that was our conversation about him.
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We like we never had an actual conversation, you know, about him, but that was all that I needed to understand what he was saying.
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And so, so I went back to Miami, went to my court case and came back to Portland.
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And we just were living together.
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And it was, it was interesting, because I wasn't looking for a relationship.
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I wasn't like I wasn't coming to be with him for that.
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So, so it worked out well for me because he had what I like to call flavors of the week.
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So he had other, you know, women that he would go and see or which was fine with me.
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Like I didn't, you know, I wasn't looking to be like his one and only.
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That wasn't at all on my mind.
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I was just looking for a safe space so that I could gather myself and figure out a way how this I can use this opportunity to move forward.
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That's, you know, where my mind was at.
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I also was able to reconnect with my family, reconnect with my children.
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So it was a really, really good time for all of those things.
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And it just, our relationship just from there sort of blossomed into, into what it eventually became, you know, but there's a lot of lack of trust, obviously, because the pimp was still around.
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Because the cartel eventually got involved through the pimp.
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And so, so the pimp had been paid a large amount of money, I think, I don't know, something like 50k.
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I'm not sure.
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And he had gave them assurances or this representative from the cartel, he gave them assurances that I would be their middleman and provide them, you know, means and opportunity to, to do whatever it was they were trying to do.
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I wasn't sure exactly what they wanted.
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Initially, my pimp was saying, or this representative who came through the pimp was saying that they just wanted me to collect information, like who he's with, what sort of security he has, when he's traveling and all of these things.
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And that quickly escalated into, okay, we want you to make us a spare key for your apartment, park the car in this area, or I was even given a grainy substance to put in his food, which I didn't do.
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But all of these things they were asking of me under threat of my life and my children's lives, if I didn't cooperate. And so...
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Now, is this before you guys took off and were on the run for that period of time?
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So this would have been, this all began maybe like May of 2013. So very early on into our relationship.
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Well, they wanted you to poison them like that early on.
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Oh, wow. I didn't realize that. I thought it was later in the timeline. That happened. Okay.
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No, no, no. That happened really, really, really early. And so, yeah. And so from there, from that time, I think my idea, or what I was thinking was obviously I couldn't just tell them, no, I'm not going to do this for you.
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Right. Because then obviously then we'll start picking off family members until they found the right one to put that pressure on so that they can have the pressure on me to get me to cooperate.
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So I was trying to keep the target on my back by cooperating with him. But at the same time, I was able to, sort of a built in excuse with the pimp because he was calling me all the time still.
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You know, he hadn't learned. So it's like, you know, well, John's getting suspicious, so I can't do anything. So I could use that excuse all the time, which is what I did.
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And then on the flip side of that, I would tell John, hey, you know, you should keep the car parked or your truck parked in the parking garage. We had a parking garage at the apartment we stayed at in Portland.
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I said, you know, keep your truck parked in here. Don't leave it out on the street. If you go out, don't go out by yourself. Let someone drive you around. So I was basically trying to protect him against the things that I knew that they were trying to plan to do to him.
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And I, of course, never made them a spare key to our apartment because obviously John would have known that it was me that gave it to them. So I didn't do that. And I obviously didn't put the poison in his food. I put it in the trash.
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And a quick little funny story about that. We were going to be, John and I were going to make dinner together. And but he got busy on a phone call. And so some hours went by, but I was really, really hungry. So I went ahead and cooked.
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And so he comes out of the bedroom. He's like standing in the doorway. He smells the food and he's like, oh, you cooked. And so I was like, yeah, I was hungry. And so he was like, looking like, all right, here we go.
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So comes in the kitchen. He says, and I was like, well, do you want to eat? Are you hungry? He's like, yeah. And I said, well, do you want to make your plate? And he's like, no, you make it. So he's watching me very, very closely.
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So what I did was, because I should say this as well, like we never spoke about things, but there were things that John said and did that let me know that he knew exactly what was happening as it was happening.
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So there was not anyone reporting to him, or maybe there was someone reporting to him what was going on with me, but he knew in real time what was happening. So he was never in any real danger from me.
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But again, I only assumed this and later this was confirmed when we would later speak about all of these events. But, um, so anyways, he's watching me. So I figured, okay, he probably thinks that there's something in the food.
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So what I did was I stirred it all together. And I showed him, you know, let him watch and see that I'm getting food from the same place I'm getting your food from, you know, and just to kind of put his mind at ease.
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And so we had our dog tequila, a red nose pit bull at the time. And so it was just a simple meal broccoli noodles and chicken. And so he took some of the noodles and he threw them to tequila and he just watched and waited.
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And he later said to me that the reason he did that was because he knew that I love the dog and if there was something in the food, I wouldn't have allowed him to give her the food.
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So, so this is kind of the backdrop of our relationship. So this is why there was a lot of distrust, obviously, obviously. But at the same time,
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Well, yeah, somebody wanted you to kill him.
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Right, of course, but but at the same time, I think, for him, if he just, he wasn't so enamored by me, you know, that that's why he kept me around, you know, and that's why he didn't, you know, why he trusted me or whatever it wasn't that wasn't the case, you know, he was very smart.
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He understood the danger that I presented to him. But at the same time, I think he recognized my lack of willingness to cooperate with them to do him any real harm.
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So I was in a hard place, you know, it was a difficult place to be in, you know, it would have been different, I assume, if I had been paid. Right now, that's a different motivation there, you know, you really, we probably wouldn't have stayed together if that was the case.
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You know, but because I was being still at that time when I go to California, still getting beat up by the pimp, you know, because I wasn't doing the things because I was making it difficult for them to work for him to cash in on his payday, because he had to deliver whatever he promised them, you know.
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And so it was just a very intense time for the first couple of years of our relationship. But even with all of that happening, there was still a partnership that was building.
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Because, you know, there were just a lot of times where we were in real danger. And he could rely on me in those instances, and I could rely on him, you know, so there were, again, it's just very complicated, but it was just something that was undeniable, this connection that we had, until that superseded everything else that was going on.
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Well, yeah, you definitely can say the connection was undeniable. I mean, you can see it just like I said in the videos you guys are making. It just, you can see it, you can definitely see it. So when did things like start to get crazy as far as like, when, all right, we got to get out of the US?
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Well, there was always something happening. There was always something happening. There was a big thing that happened in 2013, the first year we were together. And so that would have been around John's birthday. So I should tell you that in July or August of 2013, the Belizean soccer team had come to play soccer in Portland, Oregon, of all places.
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And so after they came to play soccer, we started noticing people, people of color who looked Caribbean, who were now in our neighborhood. They didn't live there, they were just kind of milling around.
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And so that was very strange because we lived in a very white area. And so I was the blackest person that lived there. Obviously, people came there, there was lots of shops and things that were around. But as far as anyone living there that I noticed, I was, you know, the blackest person there.
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So you notice when, you know, the dynamics of a neighborhood starts to change. And so then we started noticing people sort of hanging out around in front of our building, you know.
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We lived right on a corner, not a very big building. And so there'd be people at the pizza shop for hours just sitting maybe with a drink, you know, kind of watching our building.
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And so what happens then, just before John's birthday, which is September 18. So just before that, I think it was maybe the 12th of September, there was a report that he died of an overdose in Vegas.
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It came out in the news. And so John's getting phone calls all day from, you know, friends and family asking him if he's okay. And that's when he actually puts out the tweet that the news of my death has been greatly exaggerated, I think it was something to the effect of what he tweeted out.
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So after that, our security that we had living with us at the time was arrested for bogus trumped up child abuse charges. And so we were on our own. So now we fast forward to around the time of John's birthday.
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And we were binge watching Family Guy. And so we had taken a break in between and our apartment was on the fourth floor where we could see the street. And so I saw this white pickup truck pull up to the street.
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You look down and see the street, they pull up to a light pole. And the person gets out of the car and with a flashlight, he flashes it four times down our street, obviously signaling something.
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And so then I told John about it. And so he immediately turns the lights off. And he's in, you know, he's in full on go mode right now he's watching and he's trying to figure out what's happening, you know, get a handle on our situation.
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And so he tells me that he can hear motorcycles idling, like down the block and you know, I couldn't hear it. I didn't know what to listen for. So I didn't hear it. So I ended up eventually going to bed.
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So he comes and wakes me up about two-ish in the morning. And he says, get up, we have to go now, get dressed, we have to leave. And so I'm like, what's going on? What's happening? He's like, we have to go now, I don't have time to explain.
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And so I'm still trying to get him to explain. He's like, listen, I have to go. You can stay here if you want to. And so I'm like, okay, I'm coming with you.
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So we run down, we leave our dog and we run down to the opposite end of our hallway, down the stairs and we get into our parking garage. And our parking inside our parking garage is the lights are motion activated.
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So obviously they turn on because we're in the parking garage. Tom's running around like a crazy man, trying to figure out where we can hide.
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So our building was on top of a coffee shop as well as a dentist's office. So there was a lot of doors as well where you could put storage and obviously a door to get into the coffee shop and the dentist. And so he's trying all these doors, but they're locked.
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So he comes to the trash room where they have the big dumpster. And he's like, get in here and let's hide. And I'm like, ill, I'm not getting the trash. He's like, okay, fine. And so in the parking garage, it was sort of like an elevator system.
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So there was an underground level of parked cars and then the main level and then an upper level. And so he turns off the light in the trash room, closes the door. And then he looks up at a car that's on the upper level in the parking garage. And he says, well, can you climb up here?
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So we climb up there. We hide under a car, we get settled. The lights eventually go off. Okay. So we're sitting there and in my mind, I'm like, this is so crazy. They're going to kick us out of this apartment when they see us on their security cameras running around the parking garage like crazy people in the middle of the night.
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And so as I'm thinking this, the lights come on in the parking garage. You don't hear anyone. No one's talking. No one gets in their car. The lights just come on. And they stayed on all night.
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So, again, you couldn't hear anyone, but you could feel them moving. You could just feel the breeze of them moving through the parking garage. And then there was a lot of commotion happening in the lobby. You could hear people talking. You could hear people going up the stairs. You could hear these things. It was really quite noisy.
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Then we hear a garbage truck, what sounded like a garbage truck pull up out front. And so I think about 4am-ish, they roll out the garbage bin from the trash room and they roll it out to the garbage truck. They dump it and then they compress it and roll the bin back in.
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And then from the lobby, all of a sudden you hear someone yell out, fuck. And so I'm assuming it's because they realized we were in the trash. And so by now, so many hours have passed. They don't know where we are because we're not in our apartment.
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And we couldn't have gotten out. There was really only one way for us to get out and we would have been running right into their arms. And they didn't have the time to search for us any longer. It's now coming up on 5 o'clock and soon people would be getting up to go to work.
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And literally all they had to do, whoever was in the parking garage, all they had to do was bend over and look under the cars. They would have seen us. No problem.
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That's such a wild story. Do you think that was people from Belize or what kind of people do you think those were that were looking for you?
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I think it was definitely. So John had always said that his problems, that's where his problems originally come from, which is why I shared in that video that you had posted with, I think her name was Jenna from Adult Swim, that interview he had done.
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He was speaking about the laptops he had gifted. So that happened in Belize. He had gifted those laptops in Belize to the secretaries of the higher up Belizean people that were high up in office in the Belizean government because that's the raid he was talking about.
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They raided his property and destroyed his lab. That's what he was referring to. And so they found out about that. They found out about these computers that he had gifted.
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Oh, wow. They had to be so curious.
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So that's why. And so John always, well, he shared with me that he felt his neighbor being killed was actually a botched hit on him. They just went to the wrong American's house. And so that's what he fully believed.
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And so he always said to me that he felt like that he understood that those problems followed him to America. And that's what was happening in that instance, because obviously the cartel can operate freely in America. They still do. Right. A lot of politicians, I'm sure, are on their payroll.
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So not just politicians, I'm sure a lot of officers, FBI, I'm sure they have a lot of people on their payroll.
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Border patrol, you name it.
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So that's just one big incident. But that incident for me kind of solidified in my mind that, OK, whatever's happening with this man is way more serious than whatever my pimp is into, because my pimp didn't even know that was happening.
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I had no idea that was happening, which was why when he woke me up, I was like, what are you talking about? Like nothing's going on because the pimp didn't tell me anything. So how could something be going on?
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But clearly this was way above the pimp's pay grade, you know, a very sophisticated operation. And there were things that happened throughout our time in America. But fast forward to, let's see here, maybe around Thanksgiving of 2018, John gets a phone call from his lawyer in Tennessee who says that he had been summoned to give testimony in a grand jury about a pimp.
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And he was just letting John know what was going on. And so we later found out that myself, John and four other people were named in this secret grand jury.
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And so as people of interest, for what I didn't know, again, at the time we didn't know. So John then was saying that we have to leave America, you know, just because of obviously there's no way to fight those sort of things, because you can't have an attorney when you go and when you're summoned into a grand jury.
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It's kind of designed for you to be arrested, right? Or whatever it is that they want the outcome to be. It's kind of designed in that way for that.
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Stacked up against you for sure.
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Yes, yes. And so we decided to leave, you know, we, John, in the meantime, he had actually already purchased a boat, which was the Freedom Boat. And there was a lot of maintenance work that needed to be done on the boat.
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Was that from the Wolf of Wall Street?
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I'm not sure, actually.
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But, um, so that had been happening, you know, throughout the summer. So, so John had already, I guess he was already planning on eventually leaving. Things are just getting more and more tense. There were some things that happened with John.
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And so it just, I guess for him was becoming clear that it was time for him to leave. He wasn't sure if I would be joining him. And I wasn't sure as well either.
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Did it take a lot of convincing from him to get you to like jump on that boat and go?
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No, honestly. I mean, he said, I remember one time we spoke and he was like, well, you know, we have to leave America. And I guess whatever look was on my face, he kind of changed that. And he said, well, I'm leaving. He said, and you can come or you can stay, you know, but I have to leave.
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And so it was the same conversation, you know, that we had had. It took me back to that conversation in Portland when he came and woke me up in the middle of the night, you know, I have to leave, but you can stay.
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And so, you know, I just, you know, sort of really was building a more solid connection with my kids and it was a hard decision, but I just felt like if I stayed, then they would try to use me to get to him.
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And I didn't want to put him in a position where he would have to choose, you know, if he would have chosen. I don't even know that he would have, but I just didn't want to put him in that position. Also, more importantly, I watched enough movies to understand that they always go after the wife.
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But by that time, we were not married anymore legally in America. So, but still, that didn't mean that they weren't going to come after me because of course they were going to come after me. Right? Because whatever information or whatever.
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Yeah, exactly. So, so if nothing else, I'm a survivalist. And if nothing else, I'm going to make sure you know I survive. Right. That's just what I'm going to do. And so that was also a great motivator as well.
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And I just felt like, you know, I couldn't stay with my family and put them in direct danger, because that could have potentially put them in danger as well. So it just made sense for me to leave. So no, it didn't take a lot of convincing for me to leave.
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Okay, so I guess my question now is, when did the Netflix guys show up again? Because they were taping John before that in Central America when he was doing all that stuff before he met you. Is that correct?
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Yeah, so that so there, there are to my understanding, there, this person, it was Robert King, who is the photo journalist, who actually was the one that was filming in Central America when John was on the run in Belize with also, there was another man that was with him.
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And then we, well, I met Robert when John and I first were together, I think, in January of 2013. So that's when I met Robert and because there was going to be sort of a documentary that John was working with people to, you know, kind of film it, because he wanted to tell his story.
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And so Robert King was around for that. And then he came back with us. John invited him to leave with us from America, so that he could film that as well. And so there was no Netflix thing at all. At the time, there's no talk of Netflix. It was just Robert filming Robert, you know, on our journeys with us as, as we were, you know, leaving in America and traveling a little bit in the Caribbean.
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And so that was Robert around, like, in the middle years, like, when you were in Portland, did he ever pop up to do any work? Or was it just kind of like a project that just kind of came together every now and then?
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Not at that time. So early, so, so the early years of us being together, there was just discussion. So when I met Robert, initially, it was because he had this footage from Belize. And John was looking to, you know, do something with that, maybe make it a documentary or a movie or something with that. And so that was when Robert came back on the scene.
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After that, you know, we didn't hear from him. You know, Robert wasn't a part of our lives until we had gotten, just before we were leaving America. That's when Robert came back into our lives for, because obviously, John was leaving and he wanted this to be filmed. So Robert came on board then. And yeah, I'm sorry, I hope I did answer your question.
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Yeah, for sure. Did you think John was getting information that he didn't share with you about dangerous stuff that was happening that he maybe didn't want to scare you?
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Yes, all the time. And it wasn't about not wanting to scare me, because he always shared with me if there was danger, like he would always say, you know, listen, don't go out at nighttime. You know, and that would just last for, you know, a few weeks or whatever, you know, until he told me that, you know, things were clear. So I understood, you know, because we had been through so many things. So he was always going to tell me if danger was afoot. He was always going to tell me there's someone around him that he didn't trust, that he was concerned about.
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And I was going to share that with him as well. Like, I think you should look out for this person, you know, and he'd be like, well, why? I don't know. I just, I just have a feeling, you know, just keep an eye out on, you know, so, so we have that sort of, we have that kind of trust, right? Where he understood that, that I understood that keeping him alive was in my best interest, you know, keeping him healthy was in my best interest. So we...
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Yeah, you guys had hid underneath the car all night with each other. I think you earned it at that point.
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So we, so he always shared with me when he felt that, you know, times were tense, you know, and I would stay armed, you know, and we just, we just looked out for each other in that way.
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Okay, so you guys take off from America now, because he doesn't want to stick around in case they grab him for these trumped up tax stuff. Is it to do with crypto?
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Not at this time, it was only the income tax situation. And they were saying that they were calling it fraud, which, how can it be fraud when he hadn't been filing taxes? Right? Like fraud means that you...
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You're cheating.
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When did he decide he was not paying taxes anymore?
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I mean, he could have just come and taken property and taken money out of bank accounts. It could have done all of that, but they did none of that. You know, so I guess it wasn't until he ran for president in 2016 that the powers that be, if you will, started realizing, okay, he may actually be a problem.
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So he was speaking about that a lot. He was doing talks all over the world at the time, you know, and so, you know, obviously, they couldn't have that. So we leave on the Freedom Boat with our dogs.
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That was Marley and then we had our two German Shepherds, Axel and Dutchess, and we had like 30 guns because obviously we couldn't leave our guns in the water.
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Were you trained to shoot? Did you go to the range and everything?
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I had with a pimp, but he had to stop that once he found out how good I was.
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I just have a natural gifting for shooting. You know, I'm just, it's just a natural gift.
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I mean, I'm not a professional shooter, but I was trained to shoot.
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What do people say?
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sobre wipe?
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So here we are with our 30 guns, you know, all of them unloaded because John, you know,
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obviously has traveled on boats before, you know, so he knows sort of the international
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laws and about how you can be armed.
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And so I'm really thinking like, how is he going to manage this?
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Because this is insane.
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This is an insane amount of guns, insane amount of ammo.
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And what is he going to say?
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So he, you know, you could see the immigration officers, you know, they're coming on, their
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eyes are like big, like deer and headlights big, like what is going on?
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Because the guns were on our table, the dining table there, you know, unchambered, unloaded,
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everything there so they could come, you know, take stock of what we had.
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And so John explained to them, you know, that he had ran for president, he was running for
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president and the, you know, the dangers of that.
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And, you know, we had ex-military with us, that was security.
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So, you know, so he had this spiel, that wasn't, you know, it wasn't a lie, you know, he was
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running for president at the time for the 2020 election, although remotely, but he was
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still running.
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And so, so they understood the need to have security.
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But at the same time, they were like, this is crazy.
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Like you can't have all these guns, you can't let you keep all of these guns and all this
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ammo.
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So they allowed us to-
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I was wondering that, I'm like, as I'm watching the clips and stuff of all the guns getting
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pulled out, I'm like, what the fuck are they thinking?
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Like, what is he telling them to like, get out of this?
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And yeah, I guess if you're running for president, like that is a pretty valid excuse to be holding
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some weapons.
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Yeah.
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And then again, of course, he couldn't leave the guns, right?
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We couldn't leave them in America.
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There's no one like you don't, you don't leave your guns, right?
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Like you just don't do that, you know, because they can be used for anything after that.
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You know?
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Yeah, they have a serial number on there, you could be a crime and all of a sudden,
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yeah.
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So, so that's why we took them, right?
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And so, so they let us keep three of them.
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Obviously, they took the rest.
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And they let us keep, I'm not sure, a sizable enough ammo, but nothing crazy.
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And so, so that was that, you know, we're in the Bahamas now.
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And we make it to the reason why we went to the Bahamas, because there is no income tax
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in the Bahamas.
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And so in order to be extradited, in order for America to have extradited him back to
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America, the crime that he's being accused of has to be a crime in the country that he's in.
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And so because the Bahamas doesn't have income tax, we were safe there.
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And so what then happens is that John gets word from who or from where, I don't know,
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but he gets word that they were going to try to come and arrest him for something, anything,
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drunken, disorderly conduct, whatever, anything to just get him into custody, so that they
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could then ship him back to America.
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And so instead, he and I went into hiding on in the Bahamas and for a few days.
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And by this time, we had security cameras installed on the boat.
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And so we've had footage of the officers coming onto the boat, looking for John to arrest him.
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So I think after that, John made the decision that we're going to leave and go to Cuba.
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And obviously, there's no explanation of why we would have chosen Cuba, no explanation
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needed, I should say, of why we chose to go to Cuba, because obviously there's no cooperation
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between Cuba and America.
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So we were relatively safe there as well.
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Does he have connections anywhere, like on land?
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Does he know somebody everywhere?
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I don't know.
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Like there were just certain things we didn't discuss because certain things were just above
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my pay grade, right?
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You know, certain things were just not something that he would have shared with me.
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So I don't know who he knew or if he knew anyone in Cuba.
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I think we were just two, from what I could see, we were just meeting people as we traveled
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to places, right?
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You know, a cab driver, where we stayed in the Bahamas, the place that we were staying at was
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Choppy Waters. So the person who owned Choppy Waters, which was choppy, he became an ally
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obviously that John used.
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And through that relationship, he was able to meet other people on the island for security, for
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information, for whatever he needed.
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So to my knowledge, you know, when we arrived somewhere, he would find someone that he could
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talk to that, you know, for whatever reason, we may have needed their services or their
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assistance. And then from there, they would introduce him to other people in the area.
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So the same thing happened in Cuba.
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We had a cab driver who was really trustworthy.
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And so he would take us around.
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He would introduce us to people.
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And so that's how we sort of formed relationships.
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And so we get to Cuba, we're cool in Cuba, we're chilling.
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And then John and I go out, we're riding bikes.
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So we were staying at the Hemingway Marina in Cuba.
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And so we're riding our bikes in the marina.
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And someone came to our boat.
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So when we came back to the boat, we were told that someone from the military had come to the
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boat looking for John and had left this paper that said, you know, with an address, date and
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time and said, you know, John needed to be there because for whatever reason he was being
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summoned. So I go with him and the place looks like an old like army barracks or something.
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It just it looks very we were very unsure of what was going to happen going in there.
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And the cab driver as well was even a little a little nervous about us going there.
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And so because he didn't he didn't know what was happening.
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Obviously, he's Cuban, so he'd be clued in.
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He could ask questions of people, but I guess he didn't have any idea as well.
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So anyways, we go in there, we meet this general who tells John that America is putting
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pressure on on them.
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And although they appreciate John being there and the tweets that he was sharing at the
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time were very pro-Cuba, not pro-Cuban government, as people mistook the tweets.
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I don't know how they did that.
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It was just pro-Cuba, you know, the people there and life there.
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You know, although life is difficult and it still is difficult there, but the spirit of the
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people is just so beautiful, you know, that they haven't allowed that to crush their spirit.
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And so that's kind of what John and I both were in awe of and why Cuba is such a special
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place for me, you know.
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But anyways, so this general, you know, he's expressing, you know, that gratitude or
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whatever. But he said, you know, you have to leave.
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Like you can't stay here because, you know, because of this pressure that's being put on
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them to send John back to America.
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And so they gave us 72 hours to leave Cuba.
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And we had just sent our boat captain on vacation because he had been with us for a while
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at that time. And so we're trying to get him back.
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And that leads us up to maybe I think we have like maybe six hours to go out of the 72
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hours. So we're pushing it kind of tight.
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And every day, you know, maybe every once every day or each day from the start of the
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deadline, someone would come and say, hey, you know, what's like what's going on?
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Are you leaving? John would tell them, you know, if I have to swim to get off this island,
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I will do that because I'm going to leave here within the 72 hours because we weren't sure
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when the boat captain was coming back.
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So anyways, we leave Cuba.
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This time we go to the Dominican Republic.
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And so this was a really hard trip.
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Four days it took us to get from Cuba to the Dominican Republic.
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We had ran out of water.
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We had food.
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And it was just a rough the waters were rough, everybody was miserable, we we stank, we
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were hungry and we were just so happy to get to the Dominican Republic.
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But when we pulled into the marina, all of the boats that were there in the marina had
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been moved to the backside of the marina.
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So all of the boats, so when you first initially come in, it was completely all the lanes
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were completely empty.
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And so. And then there were also soldiers or at least they were dressed as soldiers
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standing with high, high powered weapons, strategically placed, you know, and these
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these empty lanes and they directed us in to pull in.
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And so, you know, to me, this was very strange and like what's going on?
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You know, but we weren't concerned.
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You know, John was a concern either, but it just it just looks strange.
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Like what? You know, it's not something that I had become accustomed to.
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We pulled into marinas, you know.
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And so we had our guns laid out like we always did, ready with our passports, you know,
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because we're hungry.
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Like we're like, you know, we saw there was like a casino restaurant that was their
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hotel that was right there in the marina.
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So, you know, we're all looking forward to getting showered and getting fed and giving
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the dogs a good walk so they could stretch their legs and all of the things.
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And they wouldn't let us off the boat.
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We had to stay on the boat for hours.
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We were waiting maybe two or three hours.
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We were waiting for someone from from immigration or they.
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To come onto our boat so that we can get sort of checked into the country as you do
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those procedures that you have to go through and.
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So so they wouldn't let us off the boat.
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And once there was someone that came, I believe from immigration, finally that came to
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come on our boat and they asked us for our phones immediately.
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And they made us stay out on the back of the boat on the outside of the boat while they
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went inside of our boat.
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And we weren't allowed to go inside.
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We had to have the dogs locked up in the captain's quarters.
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They're barking, going crazy because, you know, we just had a four day trip.
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You know, they they need things.
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They're hungry. They've got strangers on the boat.
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I don't know what they were doing, why they.
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But obviously we found out later they were searching our boat.
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For what? I don't know.
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So. So that's about another hour or two or so, I don't know.
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By this time, the immigration office is closed and so we can't check in or whatever.
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So they do let us off to go and get something to eat.
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So we go right there to the restaurant that's right there at the marina and we're eating
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and drinking and, you know, we're just, you know, obviously commenting on how strange
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these events are. Right.
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You know, these heavily armed soldiers, you know, guarding our boat, like for what?
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You know, like we're hardened criminals or whatever.
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And so then we leave or we're leaving.
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And one of the gentlemen that was dressed as a soldier, they came back in plain clothes
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in a pickup truck. And he's saying, yeah, we have this.
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We have an apartment for you guys to stay in.
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So you guys have to come with us.
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Come get in our truck and come with us.
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And it was just John and I, they were trying to get into their truck.
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And so John immediately, he figures out what's happening.
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You know, I'm like, I'm not going with you.
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Like, I don't even know who you are.
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Like, like you're not appropriately dressed.
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You know, like what like what is this?
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You're in a civilian vehicle.
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You're dressed as a civilian.
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I'm not just going to randomly go with you in the middle of the night to some apartment
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in God knows where.
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Right. So John.
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So John then fakes a medical emergency, right, he kind of pretends to sort of pass out,
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not pass out, but kind of get weak in his knees and kind of falls to the ground.
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And so so immediately I'm like, you know, in go mode.
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OK, you know, get an ambulance.
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You see him. He's on the ground.
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He actually didn't look well as well.
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But I think it was just the journey and a little bit of acting as well.
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But, you know, we were all exhausted.
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So so eventually they did call an ambulance and they allowed the ambulance to take him to the hospital.
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I rode with him in the ambulance.
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We went to the hospital and we stayed there overnight.
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And so in the morning, they took us then back to.
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I believe it was back to the marina.
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Maybe or I'm not sure how the exact events happened, but we ended up in a jail.
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But they didn't put us in the cells.
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They put us in the cafeteria area for the officers.
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So by this time, it's me, John, two of our Bahamian.
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Well, one Bahamian security, one.
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Patient from who came from the Bahamas with us, but he was more like maintenance or just
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he ran errands for us or whatever we needed.
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So him as well.
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Robert King was with us and the boat captain.
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So so we're all in this cafeteria trying to figure out what is going on.
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Like, why are we here now?
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Like, why are we not speaking with immigration?
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Like, what is exactly happening at this time?
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And so.
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We stayed there, they keep us there for like four days.
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And I should mention, John had some a sizable amount of cash on him.
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So so this was also OK, I'm sorry, I need to run back a little bit.
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Am I rambling too much?
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Do you guys want to interject at all?
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I'm sorry.
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No, keep going.
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The only thing is, keep your phone a little bit more still when you're talking.
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Is it getting a little bit of like the wind kickback?
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OK, I'm sorry.
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Are you good?
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OK, so I'm just going to run back a little bit.
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So, John, when we got to the Bahamas, initially, John had his bank accounts
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closed out until there was five hundred thousand in cash that was brought to him.
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So in the Netflix documentary, when you see us armed on the boat and we're looking
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under our bed and I'm joking about shooting Robert King in the dick, that's
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what was happening. That was the backdrop of that.
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We had this moment, this cash on us.
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And obviously, you know, the fangs are out.
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Right. And so so what happened to the to the majority of the cash?
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I don't know. Obviously, that's not my business.
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John would not have shared that with me.
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But we when we got to the Dominican Republic, he still had about a hundred
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thousand in cash on him.
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And so after this four days of us being in this detainment center, they allowed us
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to go back to the boat and to get our belongings because we were going to be
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leaving. And so when we when we got back to the boat, the officer that went with
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went with us.
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Asked John to show him where the money was hidden, because apparently just from him
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asking that, it became very clear, well, that's what they were looking for.
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That's what they were trying to find, because when we you have to declare that
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amount of money, right?
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So we declared it in Cuba when we went to Cuba.
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So they would have known that we had that.
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And obviously, we I don't think he didn't declare it at the time.
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And. And just in the Dominican Republic, he didn't for whatever reason, he didn't
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declare it like he didn't have it out ready for them to count.
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And so, again, they asked him to show them where he had the money hidden, which was
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really, really strange. And so anyways, he does that.
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They allow us to collect some belongings and they take us back to.
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To this place, to the same place where we had been detained, then they tell us that
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they're going to take us to the airport and and send us, you know, let us go on our
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way. And so.
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It became clear as time was getting later and later that they weren't taking us to
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the airport, so they take us to another detainment center.
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We looked like an old sort of tow yard.
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And it was really weird.
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They had all the men prisoners in a barn, really large barn.
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And the women were in their regular sort of barracks.
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And that's where I was sent to.
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And John and the other guys, they were in in the area where the men would have been
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where there were bunk beds and things.
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And so that's where those pictures came from of John.
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When you see John in the in the jail and he's shirtless and he's on a bunk bed with
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no mattress, those pictures were taken during at that time.
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And so he didn't smuggle a phone in his bag.
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We had our luggage with this.
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So there was a phone that I had in my luggage that wasn't on, you know, wasn't, you
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know, connected to any network or anything.
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But so he found that and that's how he was able to to take those pictures in the
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prison. And then obviously, Robert had his camera as well.
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So. So then after that, so John has the money and they actually count the money before
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taking it from him when we get into that that facility.
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And John asked them for a receipt to which they were like so dumbfounded, like, why are
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we giving you a receipt?
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But I guess for John, he was like, no, I want a receipt so he could have a record, a
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written record that they took the money to make sure that they would give it back.
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And so. So then the next morning they take us to the immigration office and we finally
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are able to speak with immigration and get ourselves all checked in.
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But now the the head of the immigration officer is telling John that he has to go back
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to America. He can't go anywhere else.
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And so according to international law, I don't know how true this is, but if you're
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being deported from a country, they can either send you back to where you came from or
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send you back, obviously, to to your country of origin.
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But John had dual citizenship.
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So he wanted to go to the UK and not America.
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But they were saying, no, you have to go back to America.
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You can't go anywhere else.
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And so John, he ends up hiring two lawyers and he asked them to, you know, put a stay
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of the of the deportation order in for the with the judges so he can have his day in
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court, if you will.
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So during this time.
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John's trying to stall because because they need time, the lawyers need time to go to
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the judge, get this, you know, this day of deportation.
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And so John comes to me in this this little office we're sitting in and they're
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bringing his money now so they could count it, you know, count it out and give it back
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to him. So that's what he was waiting for.
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So he comes to me and he says, listen, don't worry, I'm just I'm just doing my thing.
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And so I'm like, OK, so he was just right across the hall and there's, you know, glass
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walls, you know, you could see through the walls anyways.
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And so I could see him just across the hall and their office area.
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And there's they start counting the money and then I see him fall over on the floor.
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And so, you know, immediately I'm trying to put on my best acting, you know, oh, my
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God, what happened?
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And I'm trying to get the tears to come out.
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You know, it's showtime.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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But the tears wouldn't come.
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I couldn't get him to come.
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So it's just, you know, but I was like, oh, my God, what happened?
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Check on him, help him.
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And it was so funny.
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I wish we could have had a picture of it because the people there were like looking at
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him like, sir, get up like we know you're faking.
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Because at this time, you know, it was widely reported of him faking heart attack in
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Belize. You know I'm saying so.
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Yeah, it was very well documented.
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Yeah. So it was really funny.
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So eventually they, you know, assisted him.
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And this time he pretended like he had had a stroke and he didn't recognize anyone.
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So when Steve, one of our security came and was trying to talk to him, he was like, sir,
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sir. No, get away from me.
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I don't know who this person is.
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Where am I?
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It was just so funny.
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He's like, where's my wife?
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So they're like, OK, let her go and talk to him because this is insane.
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And so I go and I whisper in his ear and I tell him, hey, they're they're sending me to
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the airport now. So I'm leaving and I love you, you know, but I got to go.
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And so because they were sending us back to our country's origin, obviously.
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So me and Robert were going back to America.
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Steve was going to the Bahamas and the Haitian gentleman was going back to Haiti.
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I forget his name. And so that's what they were doing at that in that moment.
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And so he says, OK, and so they take us and we've got our luggage and we're on our way to
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the airport and as soon as we get to the airport, they get a phone call saying to bring me
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back because John was in the hospital.
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And so so I get to the hospital and.
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You know, obviously he was fine, there's nothing wrong with him, they just they didn't know
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what to do because obviously he didn't recognize anyone.
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Right. And he's still acting hysterical or whatever.
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And so. He went full retard.
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Yes. You should never go full retard.
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So so, yeah, they're trying to do this.
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They're trying to run tests on him, but he's like, no, I don't need you to do that, because
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obviously he's just trying to stall for the attorneys to come back with with news of if
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they were able to succeed with getting the state of deportation, which they were.
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They eventually came to the to the hospital and said that.
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And then the head of the immigration office, the one who is telling John he had to go back
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to America, he was the one that came to the hospital and said, OK, where do you want to go?
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And John said, I want to go to the UK.
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So they bought our tickets, mine and John's tickets.
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To go to the UK and they took us to the airport and on on our flight from the Dominican
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Republic to the UK, John was able to find a hotel for us to stay in.
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Paying crypto with Bitcoin, I wish I could remember the name of the hotel because it was a
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really nice one in London.
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And so this happened on a Friday.
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Right. So we were.
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We were comfortable, we were safe, obviously, because there's nothing going to be
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happening. Obviously, we're all familiar with the relationship that America and the United
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Kingdom have. Right. So obviously, you could understand why we would have been
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unsafe there. But because it was Friday, no government officials are working on Friday.
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So nothing could happen to us, you know.
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Over the weekend, so we were so we were safe, comfortable, we, you know, John put out a
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tweet wanting to meet people and we went out and we were going to go to a strip club, but
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that didn't happen. It was just a nice time.
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And so but by Sunday morning, we'd already sussed out how we were going to leave from the
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UK. And so we had done that.
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That's exactly what we did.
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We left Sunday, Sunday morning before, obviously, before the government could get back
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to their offices on Monday because we would have had a serious problem, you know, if we
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were still in the UK on Monday.
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So we left and eventually we made our way into Spain.
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And that's where we arrived in Spain, maybe August 2019.
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And that's where that's where we were until John was arrested.
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Yeah, I actually saw a tweet today my brother sent to me.
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It was a John.
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There was like he said he was building a mud wrestling arena.
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Yeah, he was like a picture of him on a crane.
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And they had just arrived in Spain.
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Yeah. And he's planting a planting an olive tree, which is really nice.
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And so all of those.
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So the video of the Faraday cage, I just want to say that was from that.
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And that time when we first got to Spain to the old video, and it was just it wasn't
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where we slept or anything.
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It was just a room that we communicated from.
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So we would go in there if we wanted to get on the Internet or for me to call my family.
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And so that's that's what we did.
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And it worked very, very, very well.
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So so I would I would suggest that to people who can afford it.
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And because obviously it was very expensive, but.
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But, yes. So, OK, you're now in Spain, when does when do things go south in Spain?
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How does that happen?
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You know, I don't know, you know, we were doing a lot of traveling as well while we
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were in Spain, so.
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I just I'm not sure exactly how things went went south, because like I said, we were
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A lot of traveling. And so John was, you know, we were flying from the Barcelona
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airport and John never had a problem with his passport.
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And so he.
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He was planning a trip to go to Turkey, and that's why he how he got arrested at the
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airport, because he was on his way to Turkey and what John explained to me after he
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got arrested and we were finally finally able to speak, he said what happened was his
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when he gave his passport at the airport to be checked in or whatever, that his
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passport had been flagged as stolen.
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And so they detained him because of that.
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And so while he was detained, that's when this.
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Red notice warrant then materialized and now he was being, you know, held for this
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this warrant that just magically materialized.
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And I say magically because we had just maybe just a month before had traveled to
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Germany. And and while we were actually literally in the air, the covid the covid
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restrictions were reinforced in Germany.
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And so once we got there, we had to turn back around.
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So he didn't have a problem with his passport.
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He was able to get on that flight.
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No problem. And so so I don't I don't know how it how that happened, but that's what
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happened, how he was detained and arrested and how he ended up in prison.
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She were harassed or anything in Spain, it was just him going to the airport and then
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them just picking him up.
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Yeah, that was just well, there was we weren't no, we weren't harassed in Spain.
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No, we were relatively safe there, obviously.
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But obviously, John was sharing tweets and pictures and things, so maybe from that, I
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don't I don't know, because there was a picture of him in front of a restaurant in
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Spain that was near where we were staying.
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And and honestly, I'm just speculating now, I genuinely don't have any idea how that
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happened, so I don't I really don't know.
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So I don't want to keep speculating on that.
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Sure, sure.
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So John goes into jail, are you able to see him at any point after he's he's arrested?
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I was able to, but he didn't want me to to visit him because he didn't he didn't want
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to. He didn't want to put me in danger, obviously, because if I go there, I could
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have potentially been followed back to where we were staying.
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And also, he just didn't want to see me in prison.
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He's been would have heard too much to.
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Well, sure, they could have arrested you for some charge you didn't even know existed
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either. Yeah, that as well.
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So no, I didn't see him, but we spoke every day.
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We spoke three times a day.
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The phone calls were only eight minutes apiece.
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So it's one in the morning, one in the afternoon and one in the evening.
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But yeah, we spoke every day.
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He. You know, initially it was a little rough for him, I would say.
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Yeah, I was going to say, how was your spirits?
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You know, kind of settling into that, it was it was a little rough because it took a
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took a little time for us just to be able to speak to each other.
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I think maybe a week or two it took for for, you know, the phone system and all of that
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to be set up and for him to get those privileges, I guess.
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So it took time for that to happen.
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But in the meantime, I had I had sent him clothes because you could send clothes to
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your people in prison so you could wear street clothes that they did provide you with
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those those things, shoes, you know, everything that he needed.
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That I thought, you know, to just get him through until I was able to speak with him.
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So once I did that, you know, he was started obviously asking for books and the same
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books and any other things that he needed.
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And we shared the the address of the for the prison on Twitter so that people could
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write to him. I don't know if he ever got any mail from anyone because when when I
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went to pick up his belongings.
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Did he tweet a few times from prison?
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Yeah, he did. He did.
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Right. I do remember.
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OK, yeah. I wasn't sure if that was you or if that was him.
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Yeah. No, it wasn't him.
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Well, it wasn't him himself tweeting.
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Obviously, he was dictating the tweets to me.
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And I was getting them tweeted out.
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But yeah, that's what that's what was happening.
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So. So, yeah, initially, again, initially it was, you know, it obviously was taking a
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toll on him initially, just trying to settle into life in prison.
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And. And so had had this have happened, had what happened to him in June had happened
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to him earlier on, maybe I could have been swayed to believe that he he might have been
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willing to do that to himself just because there was there was just, you know, again,
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the adjusting. Right.
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And all of that, the conversations weren't.
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Was he confident he was going to get out?
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Not at the not at that time, not initially, you know, he wasn't sure, you know, and so
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until but once we had the attorney, Javier, who was who was helpful, but he wasn't as
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knowledgeable as he wasn't as knowledgeable as we would have liked as far as relating
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to extradition. And so what John was able to find another attorney.
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There was someone who had written to him while he was in prison and he had to reach out to
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this person. And so we were able to hire John, an additional Spanish attorney who
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actually was very, very knowledgeable in extradition.
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And so when John met this additional attorney, he was very confident that.
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Things could be favorable for him going to the court because this man had gone up
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against the US in immigration cases before.
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So so so, yeah, he's very confident in in these two attorneys now.
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But by this time, by the time.
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So by the time, you know, maybe March of 20, March of 2020, so he had by that time five
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attorneys, so he had two Spanish attorneys, one, two American attorneys, one and one
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representing the Tennessee case, which was the the tax related charges, and then one
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representing the New York case, which the SEC had brought after he was already arrested.
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And so I think those charges came as a way to ensure that they had their hooks deep
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enough into him. Right.
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And so. And then he also had an attorney in the UK because obviously he had the dual
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citizenship. So there was a team of attorneys that were working on his case.
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And so when his.
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When he goes before the court now and he's scheduled to go to court in June.
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We had we'd already discussed with the attorneys what the plan was, were appeals,
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everybody, we all knew that they were going to grant likely grant the extradition.
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So this wasn't a surprise to any of us.
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It wasn't a surprise to John.
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It wasn't a surprise to his attorneys or to myself that they were that they ended up
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granting the extradition.
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And there was a plan in place for what the next steps were going to be.
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So. So the day of June 23rd, I spoke to John twice.
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I spoke to him in the morning a little earlier than usual because he was going to court.
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So it was about seven in the morning when I spoke to him.
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And, you know, we just had, you know, conversation kind of going over the things, you
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know, obviously, you know, me saying, obviously, we're optimistic and hopeful that they
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won't grant the extradition.
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But at the same time, though, we understand that they probably will.
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So, you know, this is this is to be expected.
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But the attorney, your attorney said he would you know, he's going to be there.
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He's going to meet you in the court.
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And and, you know, this was just, you know, just a regular conversation.
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And so when he came back from court, he called me again around 11, 12 ish and
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obviously was disappointed.
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But again, not surprised, you know.
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And nothing in his tone, nothing in his conversation had gave me a cause for concern.
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You know, he sounded like the John he had been.
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You know, at that time, you know, again, once he got this additional attorney, things
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were different as far as his outlook, you know, and even a little bit before that, you
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know, his his outlook had changed, you know, because he just obviously that's just who
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John was. He just had a warrior spirit.
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You know, he wasn't just going to lay down and die.
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You know, he's going to fight to the to the bitter end, you know.
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So and so he asked again, had I spoken to the attorney and what he had shared and what
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he also expressed his frustration because he was supposed to have a translator and
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there was no one there translating to him to tell him what was actually happening.
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So so he didn't really know what exactly was said at the time.
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And he said that they let him speak and what he shared and all of that.
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So and this was not his first time going to court.
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He had been to court before as well.
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So this so he knew, you know, the procedure.
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And he.
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Yeah, so and we spoke about the attorney coming to, you know, the attorney had told me
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that he was going to come and see him on that Thursday or Friday.
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So so before the weekend, he was going to come and see him.
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And and that was basically the conversation.
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And we just chatted about other things, you know, my day or whatever.
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And, you know, before he hung up, he said, I love you and I'll call you later.
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And and that was that was the last time of the last time we spoke.
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Wow. Yeah.
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And then how did you find out about what had happened to him?
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Through a Twitter DM.
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Through a Twitter DM.
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Yeah, through a Twitter DM.
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So. So so every day I would collect headlines for John, because, you know, he asked him
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to do that to kind of keep him abreast of what was happening in the world.
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And sometimes he would tweet on those things or just to keep him, you know.
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Sort of what's happened.
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Yes. Thank you.
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And so that's what I was doing online.
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I was listening to music and just kind of chilling, waiting for this next phone call.
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And I happened to get on Twitter like I do, just randomly scrolling and I get a notification
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of a DM and in big in capital letters, it says, oh, my.
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OMG, tell me this isn't true.
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And so.
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Immediately, my my mind goes to John, so I just Google, I Google him and that's how I
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found out. That he.
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Yeah. A fucking Twitter DM.
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Yeah, that's that's bad.
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That's not the prison.
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At any point did they make an effort to reach out to you or?
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No, nobody called me.
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They had my number because John had the number.
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So it's on their prison records, the phone numbers that he was calling.
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Sure. They didn't call his attorney.
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Yeah. To tell his attorney, his attorney found out through Google.
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Wow, that's so awful.
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I'm sorry you had to go through that.
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Now, did you were you ever able to confirm his body?
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Yes. You did.
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Yes, I did. OK, so you can put all the conspiracies to rest.
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He might still be alive somewhere.
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These people, you know, everyone wants to hold on to hope.
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I mean, if anyone was going to pull off something like that, it would be John.
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Of course. And I understand that.
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I understand the skepticism.
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I do understand that.
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I will say this.
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When I was able to see him, they were his chest was open up.
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So I guess they were in the middle of the autopsy.
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So I could only see him from the neck down.
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But I know who I saw.
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I know what I saw.
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OK, sure.
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You look at the man. Yeah.
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You know his body.
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So so that's so that's.
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Yeah, I hope that puts it.
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But of course, that's not going to put it to rest because I still have people.
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You know, and it is a bit frustrating to.
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I could imagine. It's got to be hard to get closure.
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And she's on Instagram and there was a cue posted on his Instagram.
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Can I just put that to rest as well?
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John never had control of that Instagram account that tweeted or that posted
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a Q image. He never had control of that Instagram account.
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He never started that Instagram account.
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Someone else started it.
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And he actually tried to get control of it when he was running for president in 2016.
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But the person was asking for an amount of money
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that John was not willing to pay to gain control of the account.
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And so whoever put the cue up there.
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No, I don't know.
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But it definitely wasn't someone that was related to John, because, again, to my
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knowledge and to what John expressed to me during or not even just to me,
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but to his campaign manager as well, because we were trying to get control
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of the Instagram account because it had a sizable following.
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And it was obviously another way for him to get his message out there.
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But we weren't able to do that
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because John wasn't willing to pay for the account to get access to the account.
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So, again, that count was never under John's control, nor was the telegram.
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I don't I don't know what this telegram is either.
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This official John McAfee telegram is not something John was never on telegram
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like that. You know, he created he did create a telegram
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because during the team McAfee days, that's how the team members
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were communicating on telegram.
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So they wanted him to get on there so that he could communicate with them there.
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But he hated telegram.
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Twitter was where he used, you know, that was that was his social media
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that he used to the best of my knowledge.
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And so. So I you know, obviously people are going to think
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what they want to think, and that's fine.
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And so I'm not I'm not here to prove anything to anyone,
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I'm just here to share with you what I know.
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Yeah. Did did John ever talk about having like a dead man switch?
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Yeah, he talked about it, and I believe he had it, I believe.
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I don't I don't know where it would have been or how how it was.
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You know, there was like a physical sort of USB or whatever.
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I don't know the lingo, so I probably sound stupid, but whatever.
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I don't know where maybe it would have been in.
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You know, I don't know that because he never would have shared that with me
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because obviously it would have put me in danger.
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Obviously, you know, it was his ace in the hole.
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You know, things got ever too tight.
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You know, obviously that's not something he would have shared with anyone.
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But I do believe that he had it.
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I don't believe that was.
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That was that was a lie.
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You know, I do genuinely believe that he did have it.
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Do you think it ever got released out there?
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And then I guess the other question I had that there was always
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a controversy if he had a place in that condo that collapsed in Miami.
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Was there any connections to John within that condo?
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I don't I don't know anything about about that condo.
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I will say it was strange that they sent an Israeli team, excavation team
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to come in and excavate.
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Why did you have to send people from Israel to at least?
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That's what I've seen on the news.
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Anyways, that there was a report that there was an Israeli excavation team.
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That's just seemed really odd to me.
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You know, that you'd come all the way from Israel to help with this building
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collapse, like what like what would have been this significance?
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You know, like what was so important there?
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So obviously that does lend to the conspiracy theory, if you will.
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But you never had known of him owning any property in that building or nothing?
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No, not to my knowledge.
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Not to my knowledge.
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OK.
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Well, thank you so much for telling that story.
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Are you willing to take some questions from some of the people?
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Yeah, of course.
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All right. Cool.
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But I think, Jake, if you're still here, if you want to.
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I think he may have a couple of questions for you.
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Well, let me start by saying thank you for coming on, Janice.
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And it sounds like you and John really had something very special.
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And I'm so sorry to hear about everything that happened.
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It's it's just terrible.
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And to me, it seems to be evident that the global apparatus
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that has been constructed is able to target people all over the world,
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no matter what country they're in.
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And the judicial system in other countries are just as corrupt,
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if not more corrupt than what we have here.
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All of that being said,
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the nature to John's understanding about computers,
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computers, stuff like that, of like that, getting feedback.
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OK, the nature to to John's understanding about computers
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and stuff like that.
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I don't know if you know anything about or can comment on this,
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but I've heard that
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that it's possible that he had almost basically created
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something like a parallel Internet of sorts
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that allowed him to kind of have his own Internet infrastructure.
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And is it possible that this might be where this dead man switch would be?
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Honestly, I really can't speak to that because I don't I don't know.
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Genuinely, obviously, John was brilliant
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and he had a wealth of knowledge.
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And so, you know, I don't know.
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Honestly, I can't say I figure I just figured I'd ask,
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you know, I after hearing the whole story,
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it's hard to know what to say.
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I'm speechless because it sounds like
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just harassment on the of the to the earth degree.
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And it's so not fair.
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It's so unjust.
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I guess my only question then would be to you.
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In what way could the people in the audience, myself,
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how could we help contribute to his memory in a positive way?
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Do you think?
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Oh, wow.
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That's a good question.
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I just I guess to just continue to spread his message,
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you know, of freedom and privacy,
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you know, and how both are essential to to.
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To a free world, you know, sharing the the knowledge that he had,
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you know, I'm doing my best to to share that as well,
1:35:31,440 --> 1:35:35,760
but just keep his memory alive because he was he was a brilliant man
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and he wanted nothing more than to see
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people free, you know, free from free from what they think they know life is,
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free from what they they think the world around them is, you know,
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and free financially, you know, was very, very important to him,
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I guess, in whatever way you feel honors that memory and that
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that fight that he that he pursued.
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He seems, according to what you're saying, to be a very kind and kind
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compassionate man that didn't deserve the kind of scrutiny
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and the kind of harassment that he received.
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Would you say that he was kind as well as compassionate
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as much as he was intelligent?
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Definitely, he definitely was, you know, and I mean,
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and I can only point to myself as an example of his kindness and his compassion
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because he could have very easily had me put in prison, right?
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He could have very easily had me put under the prison, you know,
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with what was going on with everything initially
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and the first years of our being together.
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And no one would have faulted him for that.
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You know, I certainly would have wouldn't have.
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And so but instead.
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You know, he he had compassion on me and he understood the impossible situation
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I was in.
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Obviously, that didn't mean he didn't still protect himself from from me,
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you know, while still being with me.
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But I'm just saying that I think our relationship is a testament
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to his kindness and compassion, most definitely.
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Now, do you think that it's possible that the reason why he was considered
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such a threat to the system was because of his intimate knowledge
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of how it worked and operated?
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Oh, definitely.
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He so when he created the McAfee Antivirus, he was
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I believe he said his first clients was the military, you know, CIA, FBI,
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all of all of those three letter agencies.
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So that's, you know, those were his first client, you know,
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our biggest client, I guess, as well.
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He he I think he said he worked for Booze, Booze, Allen and Hamilton.
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He worked for NASA.
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So, yeah, he had knowledge.
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Definitely.
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He had a top top security clearance, if you will.
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I think that's what they're called.
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He's worked on black projects.
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So so obviously, you would have been able to see behind, you know,
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behind the veil, if you will, of the intimate inner workings
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of these these different agencies.
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So so definitely he was a he was a he was a he was a he was a
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definitely he was a threat and he was no longer controllable.
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Right.
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And so someone with the knowledge that he has or had
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that's no longer controllable obviously would be a big threat.
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Right.
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So with that kind of level of intel and also not being able
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to be controlled, not being able to be blackmailed, large sums
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of money, weapons and stuff like that.
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I mean, and the ability to either, you know, take out a virus
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or plant one that could disrupt the system.
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They would see that as a threat, obviously.
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That being said, are you aware of any attempts other besides,
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you know, the pimp and stuff like that?
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You know, but are you aware of any attempts?
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Did he ever talk about any attempts on behalf of any
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of these intelligence agencies or government apparatuses
1:39:27,320 --> 1:39:31,320
to blackmail him somehow or to compromise him in some way
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prior to your meeting?
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No, he never shared anything specific like that.
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I think his his overall concern was not with these
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with these agencies in general, but more his concern was
1:39:46,320 --> 1:39:50,320
with rogue agents within these agencies that could do him
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harm.
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And also, yes, there were many, many attempts that happened
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after that throughout throughout the course of our relationship.
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And we we moved around a lot because of it.
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So, you know, there were there were a lot of things.
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There was a lot of harassment that that sort of never ended.
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That was kind of always at the backdrop of our lives.
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Right now, considering how tech savvy he was,
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was things like, you know, hacking or, you know,
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technological harassment or anything of that nature
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ever attempted?
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Also, did he ever talk about any sort of like maybe
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psychic attacks or mental attacks or anything like that?
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I'm sorry.
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One more time.
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I'm sorry.
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Oh, I was just.
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You got to get your mic, dear.
1:40:49,440 --> 1:40:50,440
Sorry.
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So my question was, was given how tech savvy he was,
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did he ever worry or talk about the idea of being hacked
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or, you know, experiencing any sort of psychological
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experiencing any cyber attacks?
1:41:15,480 --> 1:41:19,480
Or did he ever talk about like any sort of like mental
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or emotional attacks that he thought might be,
1:41:25,480 --> 1:41:29,480
say, related to frequencies or anything like that?
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Nothing.
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So nothing related to frequencies or anything like that,
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as you say, worried about being hacked.
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I think John understood that, of course,
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he was being listened to at all times.
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And so there wasn't a concern for hacking because
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he understood that there.
1:41:49,520 --> 1:41:52,520
That he was always vulnerable to that, right,
1:41:52,520 --> 1:41:55,520
and so he so he operated and he moved in a way
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that that protected him against that.
1:41:58,520 --> 1:42:01,520
So there was a lot of disinformation that he
1:42:02,520 --> 1:42:04,520
that he would communicate through his emails
1:42:04,520 --> 1:42:06,520
or through Twitter DMs or, you know,
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that's just he was he was an expert at that,
1:42:09,560 --> 1:42:10,560
the disinformation.
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So that's how he went about protecting himself
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from the obvious nature that he would be listened to.
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Right there.
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And so hacking was not really a concern.
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It was just the concern was that always he was
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always being listened to at all times.
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And so how to shield himself against that
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and still live a relatively normal life
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considering.
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But any I guess any attacks on his on his
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sort of mental or emotional state would
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just have been, you know, having to stay up
1:42:46,600 --> 1:42:49,600
for days at a time because he felt
1:42:50,600 --> 1:42:53,600
because maybe sometimes he didn't always share
1:42:53,600 --> 1:42:56,600
with me the threat, like what exactly the threat
1:42:56,600 --> 1:42:58,600
was or where it was coming from,
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because maybe he didn't know when it would come.
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So he had a lot of sleepless nights
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which obviously that wears on a person.
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And so so it was things like that,
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you know, not really able to to rest,
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you know, always having to be on guard
1:43:18,640 --> 1:43:21,640
was what would have been, I guess,
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a mental attack, I guess,
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if you want to want to categorize it as that.
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What about AI?
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Did he ever say anything about artificial intelligence?
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In what regard?
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Well, in the regard of that,
1:43:36,680 --> 1:43:40,680
it could be very dangerous and that,
1:43:41,680 --> 1:43:44,680
you know, the linking of computers
1:43:44,680 --> 1:43:47,680
and the generation of some sort
1:43:47,680 --> 1:43:49,680
of an artificial intelligence,
1:43:49,680 --> 1:43:50,680
like a ghost in the machine.
1:43:50,680 --> 1:43:52,680
Did he ever have any concerns
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or express any concerns about that?
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No, he didn't.
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He didn't.
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Okay.
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Well, I mean,
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I would ask and I'm because he probably wouldn't say.
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Did he ever talk about any of the classified tech
1:44:07,720 --> 1:44:10,720
or the black budget or anything like that?
1:44:10,720 --> 1:44:12,720
Did he ever say anything?
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No, he he may have briefly mentioned
1:44:16,720 --> 1:44:18,720
in interviews, not many.
1:44:18,720 --> 1:44:21,720
He didn't really speak about it a lot.
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But he did talk about it a lot.
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And I think that's a good thing.
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He didn't really speak about it a lot
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because obviously that wouldn't be smart.
1:44:33,760 --> 1:44:36,760
But he just he just spoke in general,
1:44:36,760 --> 1:44:38,760
you know, the sort of his background
1:44:38,760 --> 1:44:40,760
of his work and where he,
1:44:40,760 --> 1:44:43,760
you know, where he came from,
1:44:43,760 --> 1:44:44,760
I guess, you know,
1:44:44,760 --> 1:44:46,760
how he had these sort of connections
1:44:46,760 --> 1:44:49,760
and I guess maybe to help people piece together
1:44:49,760 --> 1:44:51,760
why he would have been such a threat
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to people, you know, to certain people.
1:44:54,800 --> 1:44:58,800
Did he ever mention the Ericsson Corporation
1:44:58,800 --> 1:45:01,800
from Sweden that basically controls
1:45:01,800 --> 1:45:04,800
the entire telecommunications grid?
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Not that I can remember.
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Okay.
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Well, I mean,
1:45:12,800 --> 1:45:14,800
I pretty much exhausted all of my questions.
1:45:14,800 --> 1:45:17,800
I figured he probably wouldn't say anything
1:45:17,800 --> 1:45:19,800
about the black budget or classified tech.
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Like you said, that's just not smart to do.
1:45:21,800 --> 1:45:23,800
You know, it's better to just kind of imply
1:45:23,840 --> 1:45:24,840
and let people know, yes,
1:45:24,840 --> 1:45:25,840
there is a black budget.
1:45:25,840 --> 1:45:27,840
Yes, there are these black projects.
1:45:27,840 --> 1:45:28,840
There's, you know,
1:45:28,840 --> 1:45:31,840
money is going funny places that we don't know
1:45:31,840 --> 1:45:33,840
going toward research and development
1:45:33,840 --> 1:45:35,840
that is not public, etc.
1:45:36,840 --> 1:45:38,840
I mean, I just want to say
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I commend you for your bravery
1:45:40,840 --> 1:45:42,840
and your willingness to stick
1:45:42,840 --> 1:45:44,840
with him through the hardship.
1:45:44,840 --> 1:45:47,840
That's evidence of real love.
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And I'm, you know,
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I'm glad that you had the opportunity
1:45:51,880 --> 1:45:52,880
to experience that.
1:45:52,880 --> 1:45:54,880
And it's sad that it was taken from you
1:45:54,880 --> 1:45:56,880
in such a terrible way
1:45:56,880 --> 1:45:59,880
and in such an inhumane way.
1:45:59,880 --> 1:46:01,880
You know, I just want you to stay strong
1:46:01,880 --> 1:46:03,880
and I'll keep you in my prayers.
1:46:05,880 --> 1:46:06,880
Thank you, Jake.
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Let's go to Jenny next.
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And then we'll get Bitcoin
1:46:15,920 --> 1:46:17,920
after that and then Cheryl.
1:46:19,920 --> 1:46:21,920
Okay, Jenny, go ahead when you're ready.
1:46:21,920 --> 1:46:23,920
Janice, I'm trying.
1:46:23,920 --> 1:46:24,920
I'm not going to cry,
1:46:24,920 --> 1:46:25,920
but I just want you to know
1:46:25,920 --> 1:46:26,920
that my heart is with you.
1:46:26,920 --> 1:46:28,920
And since the story started,
1:46:28,920 --> 1:46:30,920
I know you're a strong woman
1:46:30,920 --> 1:46:32,920
and I just wanted to ask you,
1:46:32,920 --> 1:46:33,920
I mean, seriously,
1:46:33,920 --> 1:46:34,920
like my heart, heart.
1:46:34,920 --> 1:46:35,920
I'm not just up here,
1:46:35,920 --> 1:46:36,920
clout Chastain or some weird shit.
1:46:36,920 --> 1:46:37,920
I want you to know my heart.
1:46:37,920 --> 1:46:38,920
I'm not just up here,
1:46:38,920 --> 1:46:39,920
clout Chastain or some weird shit.
1:46:39,920 --> 1:46:40,920
I want you to know my heart.
1:46:40,920 --> 1:46:41,920
I'm not just up here,
1:46:41,920 --> 1:46:42,920
clout Chastain or some weird shit.
1:46:42,960 --> 1:46:43,960
I want you to know my heart
1:46:43,960 --> 1:46:44,960
is with you.
1:46:44,960 --> 1:46:45,960
I know you guys loved each other.
1:46:45,960 --> 1:46:46,960
I know that your love
1:46:46,960 --> 1:46:47,960
was absolutely true.
1:46:47,960 --> 1:46:48,960
I've seen your pictures.
1:46:48,960 --> 1:46:50,960
I just I just know your strength
1:46:50,960 --> 1:46:51,960
and I think it was beautiful
1:46:51,960 --> 1:46:52,960
that you were standing
1:46:52,960 --> 1:46:53,960
on the side of the street that day
1:46:53,960 --> 1:46:54,960
and he was down there
1:46:54,960 --> 1:46:55,960
and you asked that question.
1:46:55,960 --> 1:46:56,960
I think that's faith
1:46:56,960 --> 1:46:58,960
and I think it's fate.
1:46:58,960 --> 1:46:59,960
I wanted to ask you,
1:46:59,960 --> 1:47:00,960
how would you like for us
1:47:00,960 --> 1:47:01,960
to remember him
1:47:01,960 --> 1:47:02,960
as we go on
1:47:02,960 --> 1:47:03,960
and teach our children
1:47:03,960 --> 1:47:04,960
to be half a man that he was?
1:47:04,960 --> 1:47:05,960
How would you want us
1:47:05,960 --> 1:47:06,960
to remember him?
1:47 --> 1:47
Oh, you know,
1:47 --> 1:47
he was just a man,
1:47 --> 1:47
he's just a man
1:47 --> 1:47
trying to live,
1:47 --> 1:47
and just he just wanted
1:47 --> 1:47
to be left alone,
1:47 --> 1:47
but but whomever,
1:47 --> 1:47
whatever powers that be,
1:47 --> 1:47
just wouldn't allow
1:47 --> 1:47
that to happen,
1:47 --> 1:47
and so because of that,
1:47 --> 1:47
it took the fight to that
1:47 --> 1:47
in the way that he could
1:47 --> 1:47
and I guess
1:47 --> 1:47
that's what I would
1:47 --> 1:47
like to remember him
1:47 --> 1:47
I think that's what
1:47 --> 1:47
I would like to remember him
1:47:36,040 --> 1:47:37,040
And I guess
1:47:37,040 --> 1:47:38,040
and the way to honor
1:47:38,040 --> 1:47:40,040
honor that is to just
1:47:41,040 --> 1:47:42,040
live by your convictions,
1:47:42,040 --> 1:47:43,040
you know,
1:47:43,040 --> 1:47:44,040
there's so much
1:47:44,040 --> 1:47:45,040
the world is just
1:47:45,040 --> 1:47:47,040
so messed up right now,
1:47:47,040 --> 1:47:48,040
you know,
1:47:48,040 --> 1:47:50,040
and and people need
1:47:50,040 --> 1:47:52,040
people to speak the truth.
1:47:53,040 --> 1:47:54,040
You need people
1:47:54,040 --> 1:47:55,040
to speak the truth to power,
1:47:55,040 --> 1:47:56,040
speak the truth
1:47:56,040 --> 1:47:57,040
to the foolishness
1:47:57,040 --> 1:47:59,040
that we see happening
1:47:59,040 --> 1:48:00,040
in the world,
1:48:00,040 --> 1:48:01,040
you know,
1:48:01,040 --> 1:48:02,040
and maybe that's not
1:48:02,040 --> 1:48:03,040
in such a big way,
1:48:03,040 --> 1:48:04,040
you know,
1:48:04,040 --> 1:48:05,040
as John did it,
1:48:05,080 --> 1:48:06,080
you know,
1:48:06,080 --> 1:48:07,080
maybe you don't have
1:48:07,080 --> 1:48:08,080
such a large following,
1:48:08,080 --> 1:48:09,080
but maybe that's just
1:48:09,080 --> 1:48:10,080
to your neighbor,
1:48:10,080 --> 1:48:11,080
to your family,
1:48:11,080 --> 1:48:12,080
you know,
1:48:12,080 --> 1:48:13,080
but just to speak
1:48:13,080 --> 1:48:14,080
the truth
1:48:14,080 --> 1:48:15,080
and share the truth,
1:48:15,080 --> 1:48:16,080
you know,
1:48:16,080 --> 1:48:17,080
in love,
1:48:17,080 --> 1:48:18,080
not in hate,
1:48:18,080 --> 1:48:19,080
not in,
1:48:19,080 --> 1:48:20,080
um,
1:48:20,080 --> 1:48:21,080
well,
1:48:21,080 --> 1:48:22,080
I'm right and you're wrong
1:48:22,080 --> 1:48:23,080
or,
1:48:23,080 --> 1:48:24,080
you know,
1:48:24,080 --> 1:48:25,080
not in this sort
1:48:25,080 --> 1:48:26,080
of abusive way,
1:48:26,080 --> 1:48:27,080
but share the truth
1:48:27,080 --> 1:48:28,080
in love,
1:48:28,080 --> 1:48:29,080
you know,
1:48:29,080 --> 1:48:30,080
because that's how
1:48:30,080 --> 1:48:31,080
we can reach people
1:48:31,080 --> 1:48:32,080
is through love,
1:48:32,080 --> 1:48:33,080
you know,
1:48:33,080 --> 1:48:34,080
like that's how
1:48:34,120 --> 1:48:35,120
he reached me,
1:48:35,120 --> 1:48:36,120
like he didn't,
1:48:36,120 --> 1:48:37,120
we,
1:48:37,120 --> 1:48:38,120
we didn't,
1:48:38,120 --> 1:48:39,120
we didn't fight
1:48:39,120 --> 1:48:40,120
about things,
1:48:40,120 --> 1:48:41,120
he didn't condemn me
1:48:41,120 --> 1:48:42,120
for the stupid decisions
1:48:42,120 --> 1:48:43,120
that I made
1:48:43,120 --> 1:48:44,120
time and time
1:48:44,120 --> 1:48:45,120
and time again,
1:48:45,120 --> 1:48:46,120
you know,
1:48:46,120 --> 1:48:47,120
he just gave me
1:48:47,120 --> 1:48:48,120
the space
1:48:48,120 --> 1:48:49,120
to figure it out,
1:48:49,120 --> 1:48:50,120
you know,
1:48:50,120 --> 1:48:51,120
but he allowed me
1:48:51,120 --> 1:48:52,120
to,
1:48:52,120 --> 1:48:53,120
to figure it out,
1:48:53,120 --> 1:48:54,120
you know what I'm saying,
1:48:54,120 --> 1:48:55,120
and he lived
1:48:55,120 --> 1:48:56,120
in a truth
1:48:56,120 --> 1:48:57,120
that,
1:48:57,120 --> 1:48:58,120
that caused me
1:48:58,120 --> 1:48:59,120
to,
1:48:59,120 --> 1:49:00,120
to look to that
1:49:00,120 --> 1:49:01,120
and say,
1:49:01,120 --> 1:49:02,120
okay,
1:49:02,120 --> 1:49:03,120
what,
1:49:03,160 --> 1:49:04,160
what,
1:49:04,160 --> 1:49:05,160
what do I do
1:49:05,160 --> 1:49:06,160
because obviously
1:49:06,160 --> 1:49:07,160
what I thought
1:49:07,160 --> 1:49:08,160
the world was,
1:49:08,160 --> 1:49:09,160
it's,
1:49:09,160 --> 1:49:10,160
it's not so,
1:49:10,160 --> 1:49:11,160
you know,
1:49:11,160 --> 1:49:12,160
and so I better get,
1:49:12,160 --> 1:49:13,160
better get smart
1:49:13,160 --> 1:49:14,160
and get educated here,
1:49:14,160 --> 1:49:15,160
you know,
1:49:15,160 --> 1:49:16,160
and I think
1:49:16,160 --> 1:49:17,160
that's the,
1:49:17,160 --> 1:49:18,160
that's the way
1:49:18,160 --> 1:49:19,160
that I think
1:49:19,160 --> 1:49:20,160
we can honor him
1:49:20,160 --> 1:49:21,160
and remember him
1:49:21,160 --> 1:49:22,160
moving forward,
1:49:22,160 --> 1:49:23,160
so just remember
1:49:23,160 --> 1:49:24,160
that he's just,
1:49:24,160 --> 1:49:25,160
he was a man,
1:49:25,160 --> 1:49:26,160
just like,
1:49:26,160 --> 1:49:27,160
you know,
1:49:27,160 --> 1:49:28,160
all of us,
1:49:28,160 --> 1:49:29,160
well I'm not a man,
1:49:29,160 --> 1:49:30,160
but you understand
1:49:30,160 --> 1:49:31,160
what I'm trying to say,
1:49:31,160 --> 1:49:32,160
but he was just
1:49:32,200 --> 1:49:33,200
a man,
1:49:33,200 --> 1:49:34,200
and he wasn't more special
1:49:34,200 --> 1:49:35,200
than any of us,
1:49:35,200 --> 1:49:36,200
we all have the power
1:49:36,200 --> 1:49:37,200
to,
1:49:37,200 --> 1:49:38,200
to be John McAfee
1:49:38,200 --> 1:49:39,200
if you will,
1:49:39,200 --> 1:49:40,200
to,
1:49:40,200 --> 1:49:41,200
to our own levels,
1:49:41,200 --> 1:49:42,200
right,
1:49:42,200 --> 1:49:43,200
maybe not in the way
1:49:43,200 --> 1:49:44,200
that he was,
1:49:44,200 --> 1:49:45,200
you know,
1:49:45,200 --> 1:49:46,200
and he never,
1:49:46,200 --> 1:49:47,200
he never advocated
1:49:47,200 --> 1:49:48,200
for that,
1:49:48,200 --> 1:49:49,200
he never advocated
1:49:49,200 --> 1:49:50,200
for anyone
1:49:50,200 --> 1:49:51,200
to take up
1:49:51,200 --> 1:49:52,200
the life
1:49:52,200 --> 1:49:53,200
that he was living
1:49:53,200 --> 1:49:54,200
as a nomad
1:49:54,200 --> 1:49:55,200
and having to be
1:49:55,200 --> 1:49:56,200
on the run
1:49:56,200 --> 1:49:57,200
and all of that,
1:49:57,200 --> 1:49:58,200
but,
1:49:58,200 --> 1:49:59,200
but what he did advocate
1:49:59,200 --> 1:50:00,200
for was,
1:50:00,200 --> 1:50:01,200
was not,
1:50:01,240 --> 1:50:02,240
not just keeping your head low
1:50:02,240 --> 1:50:03,240
because you don't want
1:50:03,240 --> 1:50:04,240
to pop your head up
1:50:04,240 --> 1:50:05,240
and be the one
1:50:05,240 --> 1:50:06,240
to be sacrificed,
1:50:06,240 --> 1:50:07,240
you know,
1:50:07,240 --> 1:50:08,240
sometimes we have
1:50:08,240 --> 1:50:09,240
to do the hard things,
1:50:09,240 --> 1:50:10,240
and this,
1:50:10,240 --> 1:50:11,240
this has been a hard thing
1:50:11,240 --> 1:50:12,240
for me to do,
1:50:12,240 --> 1:50:13,240
you know,
1:50:13,240 --> 1:50:14,240
to stay here
1:50:14,240 --> 1:50:15,240
in Spain,
1:50:15,240 --> 1:50:16,240
but I couldn't allow
1:50:16,240 --> 1:50:17,240
what,
1:50:17,240 --> 1:50:18,240
I couldn't allow
1:50:18,240 --> 1:50:19,240
what happened to him
1:50:19,240 --> 1:50:20,240
to just go unanswered,
1:50:20,240 --> 1:50:21,240
you know,
1:50:21,240 --> 1:50:22,240
I had to stay here
1:50:22,240 --> 1:50:23,240
and,
1:50:23,240 --> 1:50:24,240
and get the answers
1:50:24,240 --> 1:50:25,240
that I could,
1:50:25,240 --> 1:50:26,240
and,
1:50:26,240 --> 1:50:27,240
and,
1:50:27,240 --> 1:50:28,240
and,
1:50:28,240 --> 1:50:29,240
and,
1:50:29,240 --> 1:50:30,240
and,
1:50:30,280 --> 1:50:31,280
and get the answers
1:50:31,280 --> 1:50:32,280
that I could get.
1:50:32,280 --> 1:50:33,280
Granted,
1:50:33,280 --> 1:50:34,280
I still have
1:50:34,280 --> 1:50:35,280
so many more questions,
1:50:35,280 --> 1:50:36,280
but,
1:50:36,280 --> 1:50:37,280
but had I not
1:50:37,280 --> 1:50:38,280
stayed here,
1:50:38,280 --> 1:50:39,280
I wouldn't have gotten
1:50:39,280 --> 1:50:40,280
the answers
1:50:40,280 --> 1:50:41,280
that I could get,
1:50:41,280 --> 1:50:42,280
so,
1:50:42,280 --> 1:50:43,280
so I hope that answers
1:50:43,280 --> 1:50:44,280
your question.
1:50:44,280 --> 1:50:45,280
It does,
1:50:45,280 --> 1:50:46,280
and my heart is with you,
1:50:46,280 --> 1:50:47,280
100 percent,
1:50:47,280 --> 1:50:48,280
I know there's many more
1:50:48,280 --> 1:50:49,280
of us,
1:50:49,280 --> 1:50:50,280
and you are a strong
1:50:50,280 --> 1:50:51,280
example of an absolutely
1:50:51,280 --> 1:50:52,280
incredible woman.
1:50:52,280 --> 1:50:53,280
Thank you,
1:50:53,280 --> 1:50:54,280
thank you very much,
1:50:54,280 --> 1:50:55,280
you know,
1:50:55,280 --> 1:50:56,280
I'm just,
1:50:56,280 --> 1:50:57,280
I'm just doing,
1:50:57,280 --> 1:50:58,280
I'm just following
1:50:58,280 --> 1:50:59,280
my convictions,
1:50:59,320 --> 1:51:00,320
you know,
1:51:00,320 --> 1:51:01,320
and that's all
1:51:01,320 --> 1:51:02,320
that we can do now,
1:51:02,320 --> 1:51:03,320
you know,
1:51:03,320 --> 1:51:04,320
it's all that we can do,
1:51:04,320 --> 1:51:05,320
it's all that we should
1:51:05,320 --> 1:51:06,320
ever have been doing,
1:51:06,320 --> 1:51:07,320
you know,
1:51:07,320 --> 1:51:08,320
but thank you.
1:51:08,320 --> 1:51:09,320
Okay,
1:51:09,320 --> 1:51:10,320
can you do a couple
1:51:10,320 --> 1:51:11,320
more questions,
1:51:11,320 --> 1:51:12,320
Janice?
1:51:12,320 --> 1:51:13,320
Yes,
1:51:13,320 --> 1:51:14,320
yes.
1:51:14,320 --> 1:51:15,320
Okay,
1:51:15,320 --> 1:51:16,320
cool.
1:51:16,320 --> 1:51:17,320
Bitcoin,
1:51:17,320 --> 1:51:18,320
go ahead.
1:51:18,320 --> 1:51:19,320
Hey,
1:51:19,320 --> 1:51:20,320
what's going on,
1:51:20,320 --> 1:51:21,320
Janice?
1:51:21,320 --> 1:51:22,320
Hey,
1:51:22,320 --> 1:51:23,320
it's Raider,
1:51:23,320 --> 1:51:24,320
you might remember me,
1:51:24,320 --> 1:51:25,320
I'm back in Malta,
1:51:25,320 --> 1:51:26,320
in St. Julian's,
1:51:26,320 --> 1:51:27,320
like,
1:51:27,360 --> 1:51:28,360
I'll never forget
1:51:28,360 --> 1:51:29,360
during the Malta
1:51:29,360 --> 1:51:30,360
blockchain summit,
1:51:30,360 --> 1:51:31,360
right,
1:51:31,360 --> 1:51:32,360
when,
1:51:32,360 --> 1:51:33,360
first of all,
1:51:33,360 --> 1:51:34,360
you and John
1:51:34,360 --> 1:51:35,360
were like so,
1:51:35,360 --> 1:51:36,360
like,
1:51:36,360 --> 1:51:37,360
beautiful to me
1:51:37,360 --> 1:51:38,360
and like my small
1:51:38,360 --> 1:51:39,360
little team,
1:51:39,360 --> 1:51:40,360
there was like three of us,
1:51:40,360 --> 1:51:41,360
you guys were just like
1:51:41,360 --> 1:51:42,360
so beautiful to us,
1:51:42,360 --> 1:51:43,360
right,
1:51:43,360 --> 1:51:44,360
but I'll never forget,
1:51:44,360 --> 1:51:45,360
and you probably remember
1:51:45,360 --> 1:51:46,360
this,
1:51:46,360 --> 1:51:47,360
when you were in Malta
1:51:47,360 --> 1:51:48,360
and you were in the,
1:51:48,360 --> 1:51:49,360
we had the conference,
1:51:49,360 --> 1:51:50,360
or not the conference room,
1:51:50,360 --> 1:51:51,360
but the big room
1:51:51,360 --> 1:51:52,360
where before John spoke,
1:51:52,360 --> 1:51:53,360
you have billions of dollars
1:51:53,360 --> 1:51:54,360
in Bitcoin,
1:51:54,360 --> 1:51:55,360
and you're like,
1:51:55,360 --> 1:51:56,360
you're like,
1:51:56,400 --> 1:51:57,400
you have billions of dollars
1:51:57,400 --> 1:51:58,400
worth of wealth,
1:51:58,400 --> 1:51:59,400
right,
1:51:59,400 --> 1:52:00,400
like sitting in this little,
1:52:00,400 --> 1:52:01,400
this conference room,
1:52:01,400 --> 1:52:02,400
and John gets up,
1:52:02,400 --> 1:52:03,400
and he's like,
1:52:03,400 --> 1:52:05,400
he's like telling everybody,
1:52:05,400 --> 1:52:06,400
he goes,
1:52:06,400 --> 1:52:07,400
you have the opportunity
1:52:07,400 --> 1:52:08,400
to do something real,
1:52:08,400 --> 1:52:09,400
that can change the tragic
1:52:09,400 --> 1:52:10,400
state of this world,
1:52:10,400 --> 1:52:11,400
like he's giving,
1:52:11,400 --> 1:52:12,400
he's lecturing billionaires
1:52:12,400 --> 1:52:13,400
on the fact that they have,
1:52:13,400 --> 1:52:14,400
you know,
1:52:14,400 --> 1:52:15,400
I'm a Bitcoin guy,
1:52:15,400 --> 1:52:16,400
but like,
1:52:16,400 --> 1:52:17,400
he's lecturing these billionaires
1:52:17,400 --> 1:52:18,400
that you have the chance
1:52:18,400 --> 1:52:19,400
to actually do something
1:52:19,400 --> 1:52:20,400
real,
1:52:20,400 --> 1:52:21,400
and you're like,
1:52:21,400 --> 1:52:22,400
I'm a Bitcoin guy,
1:52:22,400 --> 1:52:23,400
but like,
1:52:23,400 --> 1:52:24,400
he's lecturing these billionaires
1:52:24,400 --> 1:52:25,400
that you have the chance
1:52:25,440 --> 1:52:26,440
to actually do something
1:52:26,440 --> 1:52:27,440
positive with your wealth,
1:52:27,440 --> 1:52:28,440
and if you don't decide
1:52:28,440 --> 1:52:29,440
to do it,
1:52:29,440 --> 1:52:30,440
like,
1:52:30,440 --> 1:52:31,440
that's your own fault,
1:52:31,440 --> 1:52:32,440
and that's your legacy
1:52:32,440 --> 1:52:33,440
that you'll live,
1:52:33,440 --> 1:52:34,440
so my remembrance
1:52:34,440 --> 1:52:35,440
of John,
1:52:35,440 --> 1:52:36,440
having the privilege
1:52:36,440 --> 1:52:37,440
of meeting him in Malta,
1:52:37,440 --> 1:52:38,440
was like,
1:52:38,440 --> 1:52:39,440
he just told people directly
1:52:39,440 --> 1:52:40,440
what they needed to hear,
1:52:40,440 --> 1:52:41,440
and I love it,
1:52:41,440 --> 1:52:42,440
I love you Janice,
1:52:42,440 --> 1:52:43,440
I love John,
1:52:43,440 --> 1:52:44,440
and you guys showed
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so much love to people
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like me,
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like little people,
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and I'm like,
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I'm like,
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I'm like,
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I'm like,
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I'm like,
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I'm like,
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I'm like,
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I'm like,
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I'm like,
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I'm like,
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I'm like,
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I'm like,
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I'm like,
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I'm like,
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I'm like,
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I'm like,
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I'm like,
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I'm like,
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I'm like,
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I'm like,
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I'm like,
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I'm like,
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I'm like,
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I'm like,
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I'm like,
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I'm like,
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I'm like,
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I'm like,
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I'm like,
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I'm like,
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I'm like,
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I'm like,
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I'm like,
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I'm like,
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I'm like,
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I'm like,
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I'm like,
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I'm like,
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I'm like,
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I'm like,
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I'm like,
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I'm like,
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I'm like,
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I'm like,
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I'm like,
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I'm like,
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I'm like,
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I'm like,
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I'm like,
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I'm like,
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I'm like,
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I'm like,
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I'm like,
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I'm like,
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I'm like,
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I'm like,
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I'm like,
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I'm like,
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I'm like,
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I'm like,
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I'm like,
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I'm like,
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I'm like,
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I'm like,
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I'm like,
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sometimes I
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sometimes I
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sometimes I
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sometimes I
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sometimes I
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sometimes I
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sometimes I
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sometime I
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sometimes I
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something
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something
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something
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something
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something
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something
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some
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something
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something
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something
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something
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something
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something
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something
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something
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something
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something
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something
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something
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all of his wealth was gone because when he moved there,
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he had, you know, took everything.
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He was, when he moved to Belize,
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he was leaving America for good.
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He, you know, was gonna retire in Belize.
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So he sold everything until all of his money was there,
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which was stolen.
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Cause he's, obviously his bank accounts were seized.
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His properties were looted.
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One of his properties was even burned down.
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So all of his wealth, what he had,
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what he took to Belize was gone, you know?
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So what he came back to America with
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was simply the clothes on his back
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and someone gave him $5,000 in $5 bills,
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which he paid me a thousand of it,
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our first night together.
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And so that's what he had.
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And then obviously I didn't know at the time,
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but he later shared with me that our road trip
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was him going around because he had strategically placed
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like little emergency stashes, if you will,
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in different areas.
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He was a big off-roader.
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You'd go off-roading and camping.
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So he had, apparently that's why we were stopping,
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where we were stopping and why he would disappear
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for hours on end because he was, you know,
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going to collect these things.
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So whatever that amounted to, you know,
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that's what he had, you know?
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But he understood once you get to a certain level,
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the things that people are motivated by
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and also the influence that you have
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once you get to a certain level.
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And if you aren't trying to leave the world
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in a better place than what it is as you're living in it,
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then what are you really doing?
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If you have that sort of influence,
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like what are you really doing?
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If you're not using that influence to better the world,
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around you first, you know, for your family
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and those closest to you and then for the world as a whole,
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greater world.
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So, yeah, thank you for sharing that.
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Okay, Cheryl, if you wanna go ahead next.
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Hi, Janice, it's such an honor.
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Thank you so much for being with us.
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And I just have to say that, you know,
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listening to you speak and, you know,
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your connection with John, I mean, I'm sorry,
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it shines through with John.
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You can tell your connection was so strong
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because you actually are his voice.
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I don't know if you're aware of that,
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but you inspire just like he did.
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You emit the passion and the courage of your convictions
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just like he did.
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So I just wanted to point that out and thank you for that.
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And, you know, you're a hero, period,
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for doing what you did to, you know, stand with him
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and fight the good fight, I always say.
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I know it's kind of corny, but.
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So I just have two quick questions.
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And one is, have you ever met Stella Assange?
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No, I haven't met Stella.
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We had a brief conversation through DMs,
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but I haven't met her.
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And my last question is just, you know,
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we all know that the elites don't give up.
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They're relentless, they're diabolical.
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Do you still get, do they still try to interact with you
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in any such way for what I've always heard
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it was called the kill switch.
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That he definitely had in place.
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Do you get, I mean, are you followed still?
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Do people, are they still trying to figure out
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where that is and do they think that you know
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where that information could be found?
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I'm just curious.
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I mean, I'm hoping that you're not in any danger,
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but they're relentless.
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So I'm just curious.
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Initially after John first died,
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there was some pretty tense moments
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because I do believe if they may have thought
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that I may have had access to it
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or knew how to get access to it,
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this kill switch or this 31 terabytes of information
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that he said he had.
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And then also maybe just because I was a Lucent,
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you know, so maybe just trying to tie up Lucent.
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So there was for a while there, you know,
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some pretty tense moments,
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but I'm safe, you know, I'm safe.
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And honestly, there's no safety in silence.
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And so that's why I've been trying to speak up
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and share what is happening,
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which is why I also want to share
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why there was a need to go and appeal to the courts
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for the autopsy report.
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So during this process, when John first died,
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it was actually the prison that opened up an investigation
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into his death.
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So the prison did that the day after he died.
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And from the prison's report,
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it shows in their report that John,
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they actually performed CPR on John
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while he still had the shoestrings tied around his neck.
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So I was able to see video of them.
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He brought his, you know, brought him out into the hallway.
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So there was a camera right there in the hallway
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that was, you know, facing his door.
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And so I was shown the video
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of them doing chest compressions.
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They put air, you know, the bag over his mouth
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and they were pumping air to him,
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but they were doing that while he still had
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the shoestrings tied around his neck.
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And so when I saw that, you know, to me,
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like I don't profess to be a genius, you know,
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but I do know that the first thing
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when you're performing CPR,
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the first thing you're supposed to do
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is to make sure the airway is clear, you know,
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and I'm pretty sure bodies work the same
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in America as they do in Spain.
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So, you know, it just didn't make any sense to me.
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Will you ever be able to get that video or?
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I don't know, but in the prison's report, it's enough.
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Yeah.
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It's enough proof.
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It describes it.
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The pictures, and because they have pictures in there,
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they also have pictures of people
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that were like still shots from the videos
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throughout the day when people were going
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and talking to John in front of, you know,
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in front of his door, guards talking to him,
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but there was no statements from any of these people,
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no statement from the last person
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who would have seen him alive,
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which would have been his cellmate.
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So there's a lot of things
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that was missing from this report,
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but I was able to get this information.
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And so they took pictures of his body
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and in those pictures,
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he still had the shoe shoe tied around his neck.
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So even without the video, you know,
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it's understood what happened.
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Now, I'm not willing to go as far as saying
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that this was intentional, you know, whatever, you know,
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I'm not gonna get my thoughts on that,
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you know what I'm saying?
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But what I will say is, just doesn't make any sense.
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Why would you perform CPR on someone in that way?
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And-
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Yeah, something tied around their neck
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it makes zero sense.
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What is the, you know, does it make any sense?
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And so that's why I pushed for the autopsy report for theirs
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because anything that I did after that
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wouldn't be conclusive.
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You know, I mean, at least I don't know
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how these things work.
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Now, mind you, I'm making these decisions
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while I'm still grieving, you know,
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which was difficult in and of itself,
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but it just seemed like the right thing to do, you know?
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And so when, I don't know if any of you are familiar
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with the news from the courts
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and their response, and they were saying,
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oh, we're not gonna reopen the investigation.
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I didn't ask them to do any of that.
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You know, I only asked my attorney,
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but I just wanted the autopsy report
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before they closed the case
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because I wouldn't have an opportunity to come back
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once they closed it to ask for the autopsy report.
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And no, the autopsy report is not normally given.
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It's not standard practice to give it out.
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But when it is asked for, when it's requested,
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it's given.
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And so they haven't even given me a good enough reason
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as to why I can't have it other than I don't need it.
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Well, that's not a reason,
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and that's certainly not a reason I was willing to accept,
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which is why the appeal came in, you know?
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And so it was just funny to me,
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reading the article of the court's response
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and why they were denying the appeal.
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They never addressed the autopsy,
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which was the only thing that I wanted.
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Didn't want them to reopen the investigation.
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I never even said that he was murdered.
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I've never gone that far to say that
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because I don't know how he got in the position
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that he was in to be strung up in the first place.
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I don't know that, and I'm not going to speculate on that.
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I don't need to speculate on that
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because they performed CPR on him
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with shoestrings still tied around his neck.
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So whatever happened prior to that doesn't even matter.
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Why would you perform CPR on him in that way?
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That's the question that I want answered.
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And so obviously, apparently,
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I'm not going to get an answer to that question,
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which is fine, but I think it's important
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for people to understand why I stayed here
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and why his body has been in the morgue,
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you know, in the freezer somewhere, you know,
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and why I was willing to extend this
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because it just seemed like the right thing to do,
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you know, to try to pressure them
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into releasing this information.
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And no, I didn't succeed,
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but I think their denial is an answer,
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at least in my mind, so.
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So John's body is still preserved then?
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It's not to rest?
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No, it's not.
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They just recently released custody of his remains.
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So we're in the process of,
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they're gaining custody of his body,
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so he can be laid to rest.
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All right, thank you for that.
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Richard, if you want to go ahead.
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Thank you, Cheryl.
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Thank you, Jim, so much.
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Yeah, thank you for having me.
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So I just wanted to make a couple of comments,
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and plus I did have some questions.
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First of all, you know, I grew up using the software
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and I kind of, I followed him my entire life.
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I'm 38 now, you know, so it was when I was pretty young.
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And to start with, when I was following, you know,
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everything he did, you know, he was kind of like a hero.
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He kind of had the ensemblance
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of putting up the middle finger to the system.
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I really admired that, just personally.
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But, you know, to me, it seems like
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the way his death was described was very suspicious,
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like you've been stating.
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And also, you mentioned that he was worried
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when you stated that he wanted to leave frantically,
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like on two separate occasions,
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and was worried about his life.
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And I don't think somebody, in my opinion,
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and from my point of view, that somebody who's worried
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about their life would commit suicide.
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And after 2016, I imagine, you know,
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he had to have been on some type of watch list,
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because you mentioned that as well.
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I've looked up, and I couldn't find anything
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on the FBI, CIA terror watch list, or anything like that.
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And I'm asking, because a regular person
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who posts something controversial on Twitter
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could be, you know, monitored on this type of list.
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Are you aware of any lists that he may have been on?
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He probably was the list.
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But seriously, no, I'm not aware of anything like that.
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The thing of these situations is that it was important
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that there was no perpetual appeal, right?
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So there was no way to, you know,
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obviously in the moment of these things happening,
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we can document, we took pictures of people,
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you know, even the people that were following me
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here in Spain, I have their pictures and all that.
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But to a regular person looking at them,
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you're just gonna see people.
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Like, you're not gonna understand the context of that.
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So the monitoring of him was designed in such a way
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to make him look crazy, right?
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To make people think that he was crazy,
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that he was just paranoid.
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But unless you were living it, you know,
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and so I will never forget that initial,
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my introduction, if you will,
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into what he had been living with.
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You know, even in Belize, before his neighbor was killed,
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he was in hiding, you know, which I don't think
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a lot of people knew that or, you know, he spoke about it,
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but he had been in hiding, you know,
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since I believe that summer of 2012,
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because that's when they found out
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that he had given them these computers
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and that he had this information
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and he was collecting information on them.
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So he had been in hiding,
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they had been trying to find him, you know,
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until again, that culminated with his neighbor being murdered
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which again, we thought was a botched hit on him.
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So that was just the nature of the situation.
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So a lot of people around us
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just thought we both were crazy, right?
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You know, that I was just as crazy as he was,
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because if you weren't in it,
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if you didn't understand what to look for,
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you just didn't understand, you know?
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And a lot of times, like 95% of the time,
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nothing was happening, but that 5% of the time,
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you know, we were ready and on guard, you know?
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And so when majority of the time nothing is happening,
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of course, people will start to believe that you're crazy
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and that you're paranoid
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and that you're just making all of this up.
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But then when something happens, you know,
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he's the person that you wanna be with
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or he was the person that you would wanna be with
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because you knew you were safe
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but then you just do what he said and you'd be safe.
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So I hope that answered your question.
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Well, yeah, so a couple of more real quick.
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So have you looked into this yourself,
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as in such as hiring maybe a private investigator,
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maybe to kind of do some research
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or were you kind of stalled off?
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Honestly, I'm just trying to get out of Spain now.
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You know, I'm just trying to get his body
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and get out of Spain.
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And what happens moving forward, I don't know,
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but this has been very taxing on me emotionally and mentally
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and I'm just done right now, if that's okay.
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Not that I need to ask permission,
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but it's just been really, really hard.
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And I'm not sure that I have much more fight in me
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at this time, you know, and I just wanna get his body,
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you know, and I just want him to go through that process
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and maybe do some proper grieving, you know,
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without this sort of hanging over me.
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So moving forward, I'm sure that things will come from this,
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but at this moment, I just want people to know what happened
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because up until this point,
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I wasn't sharing what I knew about the way they perform CPR
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and because the case was so open and now that it's closed,
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I feel like I have the freedom to speak about it.
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So I wanna keep doing that.
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But as far as anything else moving forward,
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I genuinely, I don't have the finances,
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that's probably the biggest obstacle.
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I don't have the finances to do that.
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There's an opportunity to have an independent autopsy,
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but that's 30,000 Euro and that's probably,
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they're probably way overcharging me just because they can,
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but I can't even afford that.
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So I can't even do that, you know?
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So right now my focus is just getting his body
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and getting out of Spain, you know?
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Understood.
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And addressing the financial situation,
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so I was involved with, well, not involved,
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but I was assisting a famous journalist,
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Lauren Conlin with a suspicious death case
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and I've heard of this lady's son
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and they were able to raise the money
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with no finances having to come from the mother.
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And also she's connected with Nancy Grace
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and so they're investigating the situation right now.
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I even visited the scene of the incident
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and took pictures and videos, et cetera.
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I gave an analysis and that kind of thing.
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Maybe, I don't wanna make this all public or whatnot,
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but if I could pass this information on to them,
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maybe there's a way they could help you
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and I bet they can get that video that you were describing
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and even analyze it.
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So you're a strong woman.
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It's an honor to even talk to you.
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Your husband was amazing and thank you for having me.
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No, thank you.
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Thank you for your comments and for your support
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and definitely, like I said, maybe moving forward,
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it's something I can address,
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but just right now I think I just need a beat.
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I just really need a beat.
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Again, this has been a long, hard road, intentionally.
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I think they didn't want me here asking questions
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and making things difficult, but that's what I do.
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But now I think I just need time to, like I said,
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just get his body and kind of figure out the next steps,
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figure out what to do next.
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But thank you again for your comment.
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Okay, Sam, if you wanna go ahead.
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Thank you so much for having me and everyone here.
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I mean, I think John did maybe four or five other interviews
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after I did his interview with him and Janice.
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You may not remember me, so many people contacted,
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but I was late.
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I flew in on a red eye the night before
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and then was late to the interview and I was devastated
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because I had like no subscribers.
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You guys were super nice to me and I'm freaking out.
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And you're like, don't worry, Sam, we'll reschedule.
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I'm like, not a problem.
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And you were so nice to me.
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And I remember crying that day because I was like, wow,
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they're like the nicest two people I've ever met.
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And I used to watch John play the piano
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and he spoke to me, man.
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I came from an Irish Scottish background
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and he just spoke to me.
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And his love for you and how much he loved you
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and talked about you and you guys in unique, beautiful story
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and how it all developed.
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And it was like, we were all watching a live sitcom.
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I mean, not a sitcom, a live like adventure movie.
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And honestly, I don't wanna say sitcom,
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it's horrible, mis-wording, but Janice, you're so strong.
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What you went through was, and still going through.
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And to hang that, you know,
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them not to release the body and all that stuff,
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but I just wanna let you know,
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there's so many of us here for you.
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And there's definitely ways I can help you,
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other people can help you.
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And I love you.
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We may have never met, but the way John loved us all,
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the way John was a pioneer,
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the way John pushed the music and the piano
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and poetry and life.
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I still like,
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like I still, I still really struggle.
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I can't, I can only imagine how you are.
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So I'm sorry, I'm gonna keep it together.
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But he was amazing and you're amazing.
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And we're here for you and we love you.
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And you know what?
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The good show inherit the earth, you know?
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And it was like a bigger struggle
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versus good and evil in my mind.
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And he was telling us, governments are gonna take control.
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Like how long are you gonna sit here?
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And then COVID happened
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and we saw what governments did to people.
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We saw what went on and look at Canada,
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the truckers and everything.
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It's like he was predicting all of it
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and telling us to be careful.
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And he may not be here physically,
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but he lives in every single one of us.
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And I just wanna say that.
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And I love you, Janice.
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And nice to hear you, Richard.
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And thank you for letting me speak.
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Thank you, Sam.
2:16:11,040 --> 2:16:13,960
Thank you, Sam, so much for your comments.
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And yeah, he was amazing.
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Yeah.
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And he loved so passionately people.
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And he just wanted us to wake the fuck up, right?
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That's what he always said, just to wake up.
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And people would sometimes comment,
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well, then what?
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Like, what's the plan?
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Like, what are you doing?
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Are you just pointing out the problems?
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Then he gave this analogy,
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like if you're in a movie theater and there's a fire,
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you're not gonna form a committee to figure out,
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okay, so what should we do?
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No, you're just gonna yell fire.
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And then everybody's gonna move to the exit.
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And then we'll come up with a plan
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how to put the fire out.
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But first you have to know that there's a fire.
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First you have to know that you're in danger.
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First you have to know that there's a threat.
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And if you don't know that,
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well, then you can't even be a part of the plan
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to help wake others up
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or to change the course of things that are happening.
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So it is difficult,
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and it will be difficult for the foreseeable future.
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He was just such a larger than life person.
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But we have all of his videos
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and all of these interviews that he did.
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And you weren't a little guy or nobody, as you said.
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He enjoyed speaking to people.
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That was his favorite part of giving these keynotes
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was having Q&As afterward, meeting with people.
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And he would sit for hours afterward with a scotch
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and just talk about things
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because he was just passionate about that.
2:18:06,100 --> 2:18:10,540
And he wanted to spark something in people.
2:18:10,540 --> 2:18:14,100
He wanted to genuinely leave the world in a better state
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than what it was in.
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And so, and he does definitely live through all of us.
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Definitely.
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So thank you, thank you so much, Sam, for your comments.
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I think we got two more questions here,
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if that's cool with you, Janice.
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Yes, that's cool.
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All right.
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Chris, you go ahead first.
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Thank you, and appreciate letting me come up here
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and ask some questions.
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And my condolences to you.
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Horrible thing to have happened and the situation you're in.
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One of the things that I saw that was bothering me
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is somebody portraying themself as the real McAfee.
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I think it was on social media, Twitter.
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And I found that they were connected
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to Ingersoll Lockwood website.
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Did you know anything about that?
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No, I don't know anything about that.
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But I do know if you're speaking about John's account,
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it is being managed.
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So it's not, no one's impersonating him from his account,
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but are you speaking about something else?
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After he said he was dead,
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and somebody was posting as the real John McAfee
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and was saying stuff.
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So I wanted to make sure that was legitimate use of that.
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And what it looked like at the time is it wasn't.
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And I was trying to find that out.
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Okay, so I know of, like I had mentioned earlier
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that his Instagram,
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there's an official John McAfee Instagram
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that John didn't create.
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He didn't have control over that.
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He tried to get control over it
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when he was running for president in 2016,
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but the person wanted an amount of money
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that John wasn't willing to pay to gain control of it.
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So that is definitely an account
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that John doesn't have control over as well as,
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or wouldn't have had control over.
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And as well as the Telegram,
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John wasn't on Telegram either.
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So if that's either of the social medias
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that you're talking about, those are not legit.
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Thank you so much.
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I appreciate that.
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You're welcome.
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Okay, Rice TV.
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Go ahead, man, take it home.
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All right, I appreciate.
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I just, it's not really a question.
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I just wanted to come on and say hello to Janice.
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I've interviewed Janice.
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I did her first public interview.
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What's that, Janice?
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I said, hey.
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It's good hearing your voice
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and shout out to the guys for like hosting the spaces.
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I interviewed John seven times.
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I've done three interviews with Janice.
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I did her first public interview after John's death.
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I encourage people to check out my channel,
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check out my playlist section.
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There's a specific video
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that I really wanna encourage people to watch
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when some people were asking about
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what we can do to keep the legacy of the man,
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the myth, the legend, John McAfee alive.
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There's a speech that he had recorded for some anarchists
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back in late 2019 for an event
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that I was attending in Philadelphia called Anarchadelphia.
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It's a fork from Anarchapoco.
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And it's called Open Your Cage.
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And it's about 10 minutes long,
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but it's some of the wisest stuff that John has shared.
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It was him kind of relaying a message
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to a bunch of anarchists who are pro-crypto,
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which is right up John's alley.
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So I really encourage people to check those out.
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And then Janice, I guess I did have a question.
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Is it possible that you can post up
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from your Twitter account some cryptocurrency addresses,
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whether it's Ethereum for ERC20s
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or an Ethereum or Bitcoin or whatever,
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so that people can contribute to the possibility
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of getting an independent autopsy done
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regardless of the price?
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And because I've seen a lot of people donate
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to a lot of idiotic things,
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and I think this would be for a very, very good cause.
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So is there a way that you can post
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some cryptocurrency addresses from your account
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so that people who are listening
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can help out and donate to the cause?
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Well, yeah, of course I could do that.
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Will you do it?
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I guess I don't see why not,
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because I would want the opportunity
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to be able to do the autopsy.
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This is just strange for me,
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being in a position of needing financial assistance.
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So yeah, I can do that if people would be willing to give.
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That would be amazing.
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If not, that's fine too.
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Well, I suggest it because,
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and the reason I,
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I mean, I spent a lot of time talking to Janice,
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and she's been in Spain this entire time,
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and it's not been an inexpensive experience.
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So whatever funds that Janice had prior to John's arrest
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and ultimately his death, I'm sure are running low.
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So anything that we can do to help out,
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I mean, considering the contributions
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that John has offered to the cryptocurrency community,
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and I'm pretty sure a lot of people listening here
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are crypto enthusiasts.
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Shout out to Sam Cryptolifer, good friend of mine.
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I saw Satoshi Shawn in the chat earlier
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who's had you and John on as well.
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Crypto people appreciate John.
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We appreciate what John stood for.
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And regardless of the price,
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I think we need to know the true answers to this.
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And me knowing a little bit more of the situation
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beyond what you've explained already,
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we definitely need to have answers.
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I don't know about anybody else listening to this,
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but I have never heard of a situation
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where somebody's body has been held up
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for more than two years,
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which to me is a human rights violation,
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regardless of what anybody thinks
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about an individual or not.
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I think the family and Janice deserve closure.
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And anything that we can do to help expedite
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getting the truth out there
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and getting you back into the States
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so that we can continue keeping the legacy of John alive
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would be greatly appreciated.
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So yeah, if you could post some cryptocurrency addresses
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so that people can donate to the cause
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because John has a lot of,
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he was a very influential person
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who I think meant a lot to people.
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And I think it shows with all people that are here joining us
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so I'll be quiet and just leave my piece.
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But thank you to the hosts.
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Thank you, Chris.
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Thank you for your comments and everything.
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Yeah, it's definitely, it's been strange,
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because the courts really didn't need to keep his body.
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So there's really no explanation of that.
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And we petitioned the courts more than once
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to have his remains released.
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Well, while this appeal process was happening,
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because there was just no need
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and had they have released his remains,
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I would have been back in America a long time ago.
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But for whatever reason,
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because this case was still open,
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they were not releasing the custody of his remains.
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So, but I'm glad to finally be at this stage
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where that can now happen and can move forward.
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So again, thank you, Chris, so much for your comments
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and for just being someone that John could speak to.
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And he really enjoyed the interviews.
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I think if anyone has the time,
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you should go and check them out
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because they're candid interviews
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and definitely check out that speech that John gave.
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He always was just full of wisdom
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and always tried to share that with everyone.
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So thank you, Chris.
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Thank you, I love you, Janice.
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You have a good one.
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Happy Thanksgiving to you.
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Thank you, you too.
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All right, thank you very much.
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I think that's, I mean,
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there's one more person requesting a question.
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It's up to you, Janice.
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Sorry, sure, I can do one more.
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Okay, last one.
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All right.
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I'm gonna go ahead and get this one.
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The BTC, you can go ahead and speak.
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Hey, how are y'all doing tonight?
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Good, good.
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Hey. Good, thank you.
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I'm just wondering, you know, like,
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you know, after, you know,
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I mean, I know you've been through and all that,
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but like, you know,
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the big thing that really has been a concern of mine
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is like, you know,
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I remember back in like 2018 and stuff,
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and he did it like the coin of the week
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and like all the scams and things he promoted and.
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Yeah.
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I don't think we have anyone else
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that is looking for a question.
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Okay.
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So yeah, Janice, thank you so much for joining us tonight
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and having the courage to come do this
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and rehashing all those memories.
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I know that wasn't easy.
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I could tell, obviously it was a pretty emotional
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couple hours.
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Just thank you so much for doing that
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because I think it gave a lot of people closure
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and more of, well, like Rice said too,
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we do want answers on what exactly happened
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to John that day.
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But we do have a lot more answers now
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that we were able to hear you talk
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and we appreciate that from the bottom of our hearts.
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Thank you.
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Thank you for having me
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and allowing me to share a little bit of our stories.
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So yeah, thank you.
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And thank you to everyone that tuned in
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and for your questions and comments and your support.
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I appreciate it.
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Absolutely.
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Again, Janice, we'll have to keep in touch.
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If you ever want to do this again,
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we definitely will.
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Keep us updated.
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Hopefully we get you back to the States soon
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with John's body, put him to rest
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and everyone can move on.
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I just want to thank everybody for joining us tonight.
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Janice, do you want to leave us with any words?
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Yeah, I'll just leave you with something
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that John would always end his interviews with
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and that was do what you love.
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Do what you love and do only what you love
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because otherwise you're just wasting time.
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All right, God bless you guys.
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I love you guys.
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Good night.
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Janice, love you.
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Good night. Thank you.
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